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Daidraco

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Blizzard does have a rabid porn fanbase.

Seen more Overwatch porn than gameplay for instance.
Trying to put this into words correctly.. but..

I think most of this perverted nature stems from how over the top perverted kinky porn culture has became since we've been on the internet. What was the worst we encountered on a daily basis in 99? A wood elf or high elf ass in a video game, our dads Playboy mag? Fast foward 23 years later and I cant even open instagram without some account I dont follow is being shown to me by association, of a girl acting like shes getting fucked by the president in fish stockings. Like what the fuck are kids even seeing today and what kind of fucked up shit are they going to be into when theyre 20-30 years old if this is the kind of stuff they see now?

I dont even have kids and have developed the stance that its better for all kids to only have limited internet access. But even educational material is being corrupted with not facts, but opinions. So its almost to the point of not wanting children on the internet at all.
 
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Trying to put this into words correctly.. but..

I think most of this perverted nature stems from how over the top perverted kinky porn culture has became since we've been on the internet. What was the worst we encountered on a daily basis in 99? A wood elf or high elf ass in a video game, our dads Playboy mag? Fast foward 23 years later and I cant even open instagram without some account I dont follow is being shown to me by association, of a girl acting like shes getting fucked by the president in fish stockings. Like what the fuck are kids even seeing today and what kind of fucked up shit are they going to be into when theyre 20-30 years old if this is the kind of stuff they see now?

I dont even have kids and have developed the stance that its better for all kids to only have limited internet access. But even educational material is being corrupted with not facts, but opinions. So its almost to the point of not wanting children on the internet at all.
Every parent is doing what they can and hoping for the best, but I don't think there is a fool proof way to prevent your children from seeing fucked up shit on the internet now. Best bet is probably home school and only let them socialize with other like minded families. Even then, it could develop into a backlash where those kids go off the deep end, once they hit their late teens, and the parents can no longer control them.

The level of control on a child's life that is needed to have 99% confidence that they are prevented from getting access to internet degeneracy would be unhealthy in it's own right. Parents may talk to each other, and think they have their home network secure, but the kids grow up with the newest tech; often times learning how to use it better than their parents.

Inevitably there will be a large group of kids that learn to get around parental controls or just not tell their parents that they are friends with the neglected kid, a few blocks over, that has an open internet (or find a house with an unsecured or password set as "password" network).
 

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This sounds optimistic, you are going to do a fraction of each zone and miss the ending if you do that. You'll level really fast.

This is another thing I don't like about WoW (besides how it obsoletes content). You level so goddamn fast that you miss content unless you intentionally slow way down. You can either:

A) Do everything in the early Northrend zones to get the most out of them, then be max level before you even set foot in the top half
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B) Do as little as possible in the early zones to leave more for the top half so you can actually level through it, but then you're not getting the most out of the lower zones, and probably not the upper ones either.

Like either way the leveling could stand to slow down a little bit. I don't like slow leveling but WARP SPEED leveling is a bit much.

Maybe I'll do 1-10 Undercity area, 11-25 Outland (like, four levels in the zones I want to revisit, Hellfire/Zangar/Nagrand/Netherstorm), 26-48 in Northrend and move to those top 3 zones around 35.

Heard something about there being a tutorial island now? Maybe it won't even let me do the nostalgia Tirisfal n00b area if that's the case.
 

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I think most of this perverted nature stems from how over the top perverted kinky porn culture has became since we've been on the internet. What was the worst we encountered on a daily basis in 99? A wood elf or high elf ass in a video game, our dads Playboy mag?

You lived a very, very sheltered life in 1999 it seems lol
 
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Trying to put this into words correctly.. but..

I think most of this perverted nature stems from how over the top perverted kinky porn culture has became since we've been on the internet. What was the worst we encountered on a daily basis in 99? A wood elf or high elf ass in a video game, our dads Playboy mag? Fast foward 23 years later and I cant even open instagram without some account I dont follow is being shown to me by association, of a girl acting like shes getting fucked by the president in fish stockings. Like what the fuck are kids even seeing today and what kind of fucked up shit are they going to be into when theyre 20-30 years old if this is the kind of stuff they see now?

I dont even have kids and have developed the stance that its better for all kids to only have limited internet access. But even educational material is being corrupted with not facts, but opinions. So its almost to the point of not wanting children on the internet at all.

Man, sometimes I read something that reminds me how black-pilled I am about the future.

I actually regret not having kids, two particular girlfriends of mine (2008-2010 and 2012-2017) would have been great mom candidates, but I just had zero interest at the time. Which is one of the reasons both of those ended. No real reason I was like that, I just wasn't interested. I was interested in plowing as much as possible, not having a kid around distracting us from all the plowing.

NOW I'm 39 and going "damn, I really should have had a kid" because by now they'd be done with the annoying baby part and be a little buddy to play video games with. But now I have this cloud hanging over my head of "holy shit, I gotta protect a kid from all this shit that is designed to make them stupider and less healthy". It really is demonic.

If I can teach a kid critical thinking skills at a very early age and raise them on a diet of "think for yourself" and "don't just grant free credibility to what talking heads have to say" they might be able to ward off all the other stuff.
 

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This is another thing I don't like about WoW (besides how it obsoletes content). You level so goddamn fast that you miss content unless you intentionally slow way down. You can either:

A) Do everything in the early Northrend zones to get the most out of them, then be max level before you even set foot in the top half
or
B) Do as little as possible in the early zones to leave more for the top half so you can actually level through it, but then you're not getting the most out of the lower zones, and probably not the upper ones either.

Like either way the leveling could stand to slow down a little bit. I don't like slow leveling but WARP SPEED leveling is a bit much.

Maybe I'll do 1-10 Undercity area, 11-25 Outland (like, four levels in the zones I want to revisit, Hellfire/Zangar/Nagrand/Netherstorm), 26-48 in Northrend and move to those top 3 zones around 35.

Heard something about there being a tutorial island now? Maybe it won't even let me do the nostalgia Tirisfal n00b area if that's the case.
At the end of this post is a Wowhead guide on Chromie time. It looks like you need one character at 50 to be able to start it at level 10, otherwise the world will scale kinda like it did in BFA (?) (SS below).

Exiles Reach is the new 1- 10 zone and forced for your fist character to 50. I am not sure if that means you have to run it once, reguardless, or if you have a old character at 50, it allows you to skip it:
2022-10-16 14.33.43 www.wowhead.com a4786a416a96.png



You aren't forced to level in just BFA though (for your first character to 50):
2022-10-16 14.27.34 www.wowhead.com bfb113b36cc4.png

 
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Cybsled

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The point is the shit was always there. In fact, I would argue the internet was MORE "degenerate" in the late 90s than it is now.
 

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The point is the shit was always there. In fact, I would argue the internet was MORE "degenerate" in the late 90s than it is now.
I dont disagree with your point. The only "more" part would probably revolve around more degenerate Jeffrey Dahmer type of porn being out there since the legality of it all probably hadnt reached a way to track it/shut it down? My point wasnt around that, its that even if you wanted to stay G rated on the web - fat fucking chance. So much so that its inside of WoW and games like it that have children playing it.
 

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The point is the shit was always there. In fact, I would argue the internet was MORE "degenerate" in the late 90s than it is now.
My experience was that early 2000s is when pron access took off. Late 90s still needed to go to the back room at the video store to find most porn. Certainly, the vast majority of high schoolers in 97, 98, and 99 did not have access or know how to acquire softcore porn (let alone hardcore) that a 10 year old can find in 5 minutes today.

Usenet was the place to get porn and only the 1% super nerds knew how to access that. They also tended to be more on the loner side, so they weren't handing out gangbang video access to all the other childrenz.

I don't remember pulling porn off Napster, but certainly did off Limewire. Limewire was created in 2000.
 
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Like what the fuck are kids even seeing today and what kind of fucked up shit are they going to be into when theyre 20-30 years old if this is the kind of stuff they see now?
We are already there. Common complaint amongst 30-something women are all the perverts they have to sort through, and they aren't isolated cases. This is on top of general immaturity of the US male in general, and it is no surprise to me that a lot of women are noping out of it altogether. Well, women are more immature in general now, too...but that's a different topic.
 

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My experience was that early 2000s is when pron access took off. Late 90s still needed to go to the back room at the video store to find most porn. Certainly, the vast majority of high schoolers in 97, 98, and 99 did not have access or know how to acquire softcore porn (let alone hardcore) that a 10 year old can find in 5 minutes today.

Usenet was the place to get porn and only the 1% super nerds knew how to access that. They also tended to be more on the loner side, so they weren't handing out gangbang video access to all the other childrenz.

I don't remember pulling porn off Napster, but certainly did off Limewire. Limewire was created in 2000.

I don't think I even watched pr0n with any regularity until like 2006 (23 years old). Once I started having actual sex (late), suddenly pr0n became significantly more interesting. Before that, from 1996-2005 it was just the occasional Skinemax and thinking about girls I knew. I still kinda prefer that last one, even today.

::The More You Know::

So I don't know how it was in 1999. I will say that high school kids were absolutely fucking depraved in 1997-1999 when I was there. It seemed less so in 99 than 97. I always wondered if HS was always that depraved, or if it was a new thing, because the parental generation seemed to have no idea what I was talking about. I think there's a good chance the rampant depravity in 97 was due to the internet.

All I really have to go by in terms of the depravity being a "new thing" was that when the Fall 97 semester started, all the school administrators seemed totally shocked by it. First week of school there was grafitti EVERYWHERE (and this was in a Nice White Middle-Class Area) and the grafitti was all profane sexual stuff like "Goldman Sucks Cock" (he was the HS principal). So that was a nice way to start high school, really set the tone for all the bullshit that followed.

At the end of this post is a Wowhead guide on Chromie time. It looks like you need one character at 50 to be able to start it at level 10, otherwise the world will scale kinda like it did in BFA (?) (SS below).

Exiles Reach is the new 1- 10 zone and forced for your fist character to 50. I am not sure if that means you have to run it once, reguardless, or if you have a old character at 50, it allows you to skip it:
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You aren't forced to level in just BFA though (for your first character to 50):
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Is it just me or does this seem kind of over-complicated? If I were them I would have just made all of the expansions 10-50 and made the starting island optional versus the traditional 1-10 n00b areas.

I guess I don't mind the n00b island since it's a new thing I haven't done before, but I really wanted to do that Tirisfal starting path.

Blizzard must be hell bent on killing people's nostalgia. To this day you can start a character in EQ and beat up the same n00b yards and go to Crushbone or Blackburrow just like you could in 1999.

In any case, I'm getting the vibe that "planning out" my leveling route isn't gonna work out. I'll do the noob island and wing it the rest of the way. I am gonna try to visit Netherstorm and those last 3 Wrath zones before 30 though. For 30-48...I don't know. Maybe the Cata desert zone (Uldum?) 30-35 and then just like grind dungeons/battlegrounds for 13 levels. I like Legion but I played it to death. I'll book it over to Shadowlands soon as I get 48 and then come back to complain.
 

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We are already there. Common complaint amongst 30-something women are all the perverts they have to sort through, and they aren't isolated cases. This is on top of general immaturity of the US male in general, and it is no surprise to me that a lot of women are noping out of it altogether. Well, women are more immature in general now, too...but that's a different topic.

Funny you say that because over the last 3 years I've pretty much noped out of women altogether. Though at the moment I'm getting the urge to get back into it.

My long-term relationship ended in 2017 and I had a few shorter-term ones DURING that one because she didn't mind me being with other women and we'd sometimes take a few months off due to work / her various issues, during which I'd get with other women. She only once in that entire time dated another guy besides me, and it was during an extra-long 5 month span where we didn't see each other more than once every two weeks or so. Then that guy turned out to be a dud who was trying to cheat on her, so she dumped him and got back with me, who only cheated on her with permission.

So I had a blast with all of that, but once we ended it for real, I quickly discovered that other non-her women weren't really "all that" when I didn't have her to go home to. I dated a couple of women in 2018/2019 and they were immature as fuck, irritating, self-absorbed, narcissists, on a level that I didn't see in the late 00's or early-mid 10's. Felt like I'd crossed dimensions into some sort of Mandela Effect universe where women were insufferable to be around.

I don't miss women, but I do miss...certain kinds of women. Some of them really are "all that" but it isn't the norm anymore. They complain about having to weed through all the bad candidates...well, we also have to weed through putting up with them. Least until we find someone we don't have to "put up with" because she's great. I'm sure there are some perfect matches for me out there in the women-sphere...who have also given up on dating themselves and spend their free time on other things. If only there were a way to pull us together.

WoW Derail About Women: Has this ever happened before on the internet? Well, it's Shadowlands, and fuck Shadowlands, derail away I guess.
 
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Burns

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Is it just me or does this seem kind of over-complicated? If I were them I would have just made all of the expansions 10-50 and made the starting island optional versus the traditional 1-10 n00b areas.

I guess I don't mind the n00b island since it's a new thing I haven't done before, but I really wanted to do that Tirisfal starting path.

Blizzard must be hell bent on killing people's nostalgia. To this day you can start a character in EQ and beat up the same n00b yards and go to Crushbone or Blackburrow just like you could in 1999.

In any case, I'm getting the vibe that "planning out" my leveling route isn't gonna work out. I'll do the noob island and wing it the rest of the way. I am gonna try to visit Netherstorm and those last 3 Wrath zones before 30 though. For 30-48...I don't know. Maybe the Cata desert zone (Uldum?) 30-35 and then just like grind dungeons/battlegrounds for 13 levels. I like Legion but I played it to death. I'll book it over to Shadowlands soon as I get 48 and then come back to complain.
Nostalgia memberry peps all went to play Classic servers, and 90% of those who were left in retail would have had at least 1 character at 50, or close to it, with the level crunch.

So the whole thing is set up to be new person friendly and the BFA leveling experience was actually pretty good, as far as that goes.

The noobs go through the new 1-10 zone, then jump into the newest xpac and see the higher polly graphics and "modern" mechanics. Therefor giving the best impression, and having some continuity going into Shadowlands, after mostly finishing BFA.

A noob would also not have any XP boosting heirlooms, so there is a better chance that they finish BFA before level 50.

It was also the dev team's goal to make it so you can see all the zones in what ever xpac you picked in Chromie time, but cant really do that with heirlooms and the 100% xp buff, that is currently active.
 

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Nostalgia memberry peps all went to play Classic servers, and 90% of those who were left in retail would have had at least 1 character at 50, or close to it, with the level crunch.

So the whole thing is set up to be new person friendly and the BFA leveling experience was actually pretty good, as far as that goes.

The noobs go through the new 1-10 zone, then jump into the newest xpac and see the higher polly graphics and "modern" mechanics. Therefor giving the best impression, and having some continuity going into Shadowlands, after mostly finishing BFA.

A noob would also not have any XP boosting heirlooms, so there is a better chance that they finish BFA before level 50.

It was also the dev team's goal to make it so you can see all the zones in what ever xpac you picked in Chromie time, but cant really do that with heirlooms and the 100% xp buff, that is currently active.
Heirlooms are shit now, they are basically stat sticks. The XP bonus comes from the set and they only affect rested XP. I mean, its not nothing but its not like its giving any great advantage to people who spent 100s of thousands of gold on them compared to noobs.

What they need is more direction in story quests and side quests. If you really like a zone you'll do all the side quests, but if you really just want to do an expac you can follow the story quests. I think Legion and BFA (and maybe SL) were the only expacs that kind of did this with the more prominent exclamation mark.

Even without Winds of Wisdom, if you do all the quests in a zone you'll probably hit 50 before you finish expansion, like you're probably going to miss a whole zone or two.

The real travesty is that it kicks you out of the time walking when you hit 50 automatically and puts you into tranny lands. That's right when I nope out. I'll finish the 50-60 grinds on my characters during pre patch.

Also Winds is 50% bonus not 100, but it certainly feels faster? Maybe its just the level squish makes it feel like that.
 
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You lived a very, very sheltered life in 1999 it seems lol
Smut has always existed but when it comes to it the world of smut, it was a fundamentally different thing prior to the 21st century. The proliferation of high speed connections, p2p file sharing and eventually social media took us to a universe one couldnt have imagined in the 90s in terms of content distribution and how one consumes.

As someone whose been online gaming since the late 90s, the worst I encountered as a child back then was nsfw sprays in counterstrike. Like sure you could "download" porn if you could find it but have fun spending a few minutes loading a single image or all day downloading a single vhs rip.

Nowadays? Im sure youre familiar with twitch thots and its pipeline to onlyfans. 10 year olds wanting to see what the latest craze their friends are talking about at school getting captured by the likes of Amarouth.
 
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I’d forgotten exile’s reach. The game isn’t even recognizable to me. There’s a ton of charm in the old zones. Get off my fucking lawn.
 
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Nowadays? Im sure youre familiar with twitch thots and its pipeline to onlyfans. 10 year olds wanting to see what the latest craze their friends are talking about at school getting captured by the likes of Amarouth.

Spare the pearl clutching. Let's examine your Onlyfans scenario: Unless kids are stealing their parent's credit card and their parents don't check their statements at all (Onlyfans charges literally show up as Onlyfans on CC statements), the chances of that going unnoticed are pretty low.
 
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Big Phoenix

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Spare the pearl clutching. Let's examine your Onlyfans scenario: Unless kids are stealing their parent's credit card and their parents don't check their statements at all (Onlyfans charges literally show up as Onlyfans on CC statements), the chances of that going unnoticed are pretty low.
Kids steal their parents ccs then rack up obscene charges on them all the time. Also becoming a simp at 12-13 years old to some thot is insanely bad.

This isnt some old man shaking his fists at the clouds argument. Times change, society changes in ways that present entirely new challenges and obstacles from time to time. The internet and how its evolved is one of those times.
 
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Alright. So by your logic, we should ban all guns or heavily restrict them, because some parents don't properly store and safeguard their weapons, or kids steal their way to where they are stored, and harm themselves
 
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