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Cybsled

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That version of the god, anyways. On a side note, I don't know if the book ever answered this or not, but I've always wondered something.

A god can have different avatars/aspects (ie, Jesus in this...they more or less confirmed there are a whole bunch of different Jesus, each representing the specific version each demographic envisions for said god). So Mexican Jesus dies in the show, which basically kills that avatar/aspect. However, the demographic that avatar/aspect represented still exists and STILL believes in Jesus. Does that mean another Mexican Jesus would eventually manifest itself, but perhaps changed based on the current views/faiths of the demographic?

It seems like they outlined the only thing that can actually kill a god for good is being forgotten forever.
 
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I don't think they lay it out in rules or anything, but the gist is yeah, without being forgotten they aren't truly dead.
 
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Royal

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Soygen said:
Other than this week, has there been any "white male christian shitlord imagery"? And their god died in the same episode he was introduced in.
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That looked less like white male christian shitlords and more like gun culture specifically (and you have to admit if you're going to update a deity like Vulcan for the modern world that's probably the best fit, bordering on natural). While I know that describes the typical member of America's gun culture there were plenty of women packing the god's heat in that scene as well. But that gave Vulcan sway over just a segment of the aforementioned group and far from someone who benefited from or represented them as a whole.

And it tied in well to the opening scene; "Your piece might bear the markings of your Jesus but you're offering up prayers to me when you gun down another man's messiah."
 
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chaos said:
I don't think they lay it out in rules or anything, but the gist is yeah, without being forgotten they aren't truly dead.
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Didn't Vulcan say something to Wednesday suggesting that he had sacrificed himself once?
 
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Soygen

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Well that's quite the loophole.
 
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There's nothing stopping you from hanging yourself for 9 days, fucking casual.
 
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Soygen said:
Other than this week, has there been any "white male christian shitlord imagery"? And their god died in the same episode he was introduced in.
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No, that was Mexican Jesus. White Jesus hasn't been introduced yet. I am not joking.
 
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Cybsled

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The show already mentioned there are a ton of Jesus manifestations, so I expect to see a lot more lol

Kind of makes you wonder how popular old gods fit into the scheme of things in terms of old vs. new gods. The pre-monotheistic old gods are the ones suffering, but all the major religion entities have to got to be sitting pretty. Maybe slightly weakened because of the new points of worship (media, technology, etc).
 
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Getting a little preachy there, American Gods
 
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I recall seeing on IMDB before the show premiered that Pablo Schrieber was in most of the episodes and thought it very odd since his character is not a huge part of the original book. I wondered what they could possibly be doing in order to justify having him in that many episodes.

Silly me doubting Bryan Fuller.
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I've only seen him in "The Brink" and didnt even realize it was the same guy. He Definitely has some range and look forward to more
 
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He was also the kid from the docks in The Wire S2 and Pornstache from orange is the New Black
 
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No, that was Mexican Jesus. White Jesus hasn't been introduced yet. I am not joking.
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I'm talking about Vulcan.

Do Mexicans get shot up, crossing the boarder, in the book?
 
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I think Jesus was only referenced in the book as the different aspects, I don't think that scene was there.
 
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Anyone who denies that this show is taking every opportunity to hamfistedly cram in political-pander-points has the cultural awareness of a senior citizen. It's there, it's intentional, and it's obvious.

We actually had some fucking fedora use the term 'white fragility' on the last page unironically.

Fucking kill me.

Show is good though. I've just come to expect a certain amount of progressive propaganda in a good portion of entertainment media these days. Especially media geared toward women, the young, and the college educated.
 
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Quaid said:
Anyone who denies that this show is taking every opportunity to hamfistedly cram in political-pander-points has the cultural awareness of a senior citizen. It's there, it's intentional, and it's obvious.

We actually had some fucking fedora use the term 'white fragility' on the last page unironically.

Fucking kill me.

Show is good though. I've just come to expect a certain amount of progressive propaganda in a good portion of entertainment media these days. Especially media geared toward women, the young, and the college educated.
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Wait what are you talking about??

I'm just glad they highlighted what a common border crossing looks like for us all to see.

A peaceful loving group, almost family like, lead in prayer by a matriarch before the crossing. In charge is a strong young beautiful female coyote, strong but firm. A true and fair leader, not leading her group for money NAY!, she leads them because they deserve a better life. EVERYONE deserves a better life! As they make it across they fall to the US soil, thank their lord god for giving them this chance, this chance at such a better life. Just beautiful.

BLAM

Gunned down by religious right wing fanatic gun nuts.

Is this not what the average border crossing is like??
 
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Kiroy said:
Wait what are you talking about??

I'm just glad they highlighted what a common border crossing looks like for us all to see.

A peaceful loving group, almost family like, lead in prayer by a matriarch before the crossing. In charge is a strong young beautiful female coyote, strong but firm. A true and fair leader, not leading her group for money NAY!, she leads them because they deserve a better life. EVERYONE deserves a better life! As they make it across they fall to the US soil, thank their lord god for giving them this chance, this chance at such a better life. Just beautiful.

BLAM

Gunned down by religious right wing fanatic gun nuts.

Is this not what the average border crossing is like??
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Wakandan walked on water during this scene. You think this was supposed to be typical? You dumb, dawg.
 
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Cybsled said:
That version of the god, anyways. On a side note, I don't know if the book ever answered this or not, but I've always wondered something.

A god can have different avatars/aspects (ie, Jesus in this...they more or less confirmed there are a whole bunch of different Jesus, each representing the specific version each demographic envisions for said god). So Mexican Jesus dies in the show, which basically kills that avatar/aspect. However, the demographic that avatar/aspect represented still exists and STILL believes in Jesus. Does that mean another Mexican Jesus would eventually manifest itself, but perhaps changed based on the current views/faiths of the demographic?

It seems like they outlined the only thing that can actually kill a god for good is being forgotten forever.
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Soygen said:
I'm talking about Vulcan.

Do Mexicans get shot up, crossing the boarder, in the book?
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No, that scene was all new for the TV, same as Vulkan.

The book establishes that you can kill a god, but unless you do it in such a way that his believers lose faith, he never stays dead for long, just like in the myths, the gods regularly cheated death, so somebody is going to figure out a way he may have survived. There are still multiple versions of the same god, IIRC the book ends with Shadow talking to another incarnation of one of the main characters and it is established that you can't blame one for the actions of the other. Which is what makes the new gods so powerful, since they have a single version with no borders.
 
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Kiroy said:
The show is great and I'll still enjoy it, but I do think the white male christian shitlord imagery is a little heavy handed and distracting. Like I always say though if I let hollywood heavy handedness get in the way of my entertainment I might as well be a monk. The only reason I brought it up is because last episode it got to the point of slightly distracting to the story for me.
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I love the show, I think it looks amazing, I can't believe the cast they got for this, so many home runs. The show has seemed to lay it on thick politically at times but as Kiroy says, for all intents and purposes, so what? I will excuse some of that for a while for a show I enjoy.

All of that said, the last episode's opening imagery was way, way over the heavy-handed, Mexican-Jesus-killing, immigrant-slaughtering, Women-and-children-murdering, virtue-signalling line: I have to admit, I was rustled. I am not going to claim that I would stop watching but come on, that was some Star Trek level liberal fantasy land bullshit. Unless you had right wingers grow fangs and eat babies, how could you make that more extreme? You literally had Wednesday rattling off some shit about people not wanting America to change from their version of it or something. It almost could have given Michael Moore an "inspired by" credit. Hopefully cooler heads will prevail, everyone will keep watching, and the showrunners will put their extremely overt politics back in their proverbial pants.

I am also shocked that they are going to only do 8 episodes this season? I thought for sure there would be least 10. I guess if you are working off of a, what 425 page book you are going to have to really stretch/pad/limit that to get your viewer per dollar out of that.
 
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