Ancient Civilizations

Chukzombi · Nov 6, 2023

Chris said:
They dragged them. Probably had some sort of wheels or rollers to help that didn't survive so there's no evidence for them.

didnt they try to recreate it and they couldnt even move a stone a fraction of their size? Stonehenge is also over 5000 years old and they supposedly didnt have wheels back then. they think maybe they used a boat, but the load would have been too heavy. people knew stuff back then. stuff we for some reason are unable to give them credit for. i think its because once you give them credit for certain technology, then it opens the door for other forms of technology and then we have our ancient global trade network which you refuse to believe is possible.

Chris · Nov 6, 2023

Chukzombi said:
didnt they try to recreate it and they couldnt even move a stone a fraction of their size? Stonehenge is also over 5000 years old and they supposedly didnt have wheels back then. they think maybe they used a boat, but the load would have been too heavy. people knew stuff back then. stuff we for some reason are unable to give them credit for. i think its because once you give them credit for certain technology, then it opens the door for other forms of technology and then we have our ancient global trade network which you refuse to believe is possible.

Who isn't giving them credit?

Global trade is easy to prove because you can test where metals came from or see the same pottery/archetecture. Best we have is diffefent designs of step pyramid everywhere which is just the easest way to build up.

There WAS global trade as tin from the UK has been found in bromze from the middle east, it just doesn't appear to have been tranatlantic.

Cutlery · Nov 6, 2023

Honestly, losing a bunch of knowledge as a civilization isn't even that hard to accomplish.

Lets imagine a point 200 years in the future. Everything is on the internet. There's no reason to have books, manuscripts, etc. You can already see this now. Where are your books? For us, we might own some. But for a lot of people, it's fucking Kindles. It's E-books. Its convenient, doesn't take up space, and you can take an entire library worth of books stuffed into the front pocket of your backpack.

Now, imagine that exact same thing existed 10,000 years ago. Electricity, internet, the whole works. And then - something happened. I dunno, solar storm, major flooding, whatever. A fucking cataclysm that ended things. Look around - look at how dumb the average person is. Is it really that difficult to believe that we would revert to straight stone age very quickly? What would you be doing? Could you forge a knife? Could you build anything more than simply lashed stone tools? What if you didn't even have any reference books to look at? What if you couldn't look up recipes, or how-to guides? It's not even that much of a stretch to believe that once the very few people who actually knew how to do shit died, that there wouldn't be any useful knowledge left at all. It would be entirely thots and fuckbois trying to rub sticks together to make fire and wiping their asses with their hands.

I can absolutely imagine a situation where a super advanced civilization gets the rug yanked out from under them and because they are so lazy and so complacent they lose everything, and all that's left 10,000+ years later is their masterwork vases, buried in a tomb, the prized posession of the end of a bloodline of the kings that rose out of the ashes of the previous world. We're literally teetering on the same precipice. And in 10,000 years, some motherfucker is gonna find a World of Warcraft Burning Crusade CD ROM and wonder how we could have possibly had this technology.

Daidraco · Nov 6, 2023

Cutlery said:
Honestly, losing a bunch of knowledge as a civilization isn't even that hard to accomplish.

Lets imagine a point 200 years in the future. Everything is on the internet. There's no reason to have books, manuscripts, etc. You can already see this now. Where are your books? For us, we might own some. But for a lot of people, it's fucking Kindles. It's E-books. Its convenient, doesn't take up space, and you can take an entire library worth of books stuffed into the front pocket of your backpack.

Now, imagine that exact same thing existed 10,000 years ago. Electricity, internet, the whole works. And then - something happened. I dunno, solar storm, major flooding, whatever. A fucking cataclysm that ended things. Look around - look at how dumb the average person is. Is it really that difficult to believe that we would revert to straight stone age very quickly? What would you be doing? Could you forge a knife? Could you build anything more than simply lashed stone tools? What if you didn't even have any reference books to look at? What if you couldn't look up recipes, or how-to guides? It's not even that much of a stretch to believe that once the very few people who actually knew how to do shit died, that there wouldn't be any useful knowledge left at all. It would be entirely thots and fuckbois trying to rub sticks together to make fire and wiping their asses with their hands.

I can absolutely imagine a situation where a super advanced civilization gets the rug yanked out from under them and because they are so lazy and so complacent they lose everything, and all that's left 10,000+ years later is their masterwork vases, buried in a tomb, the prized posession of the end of a bloodline of the kings that rose out of the ashes of the previous world. We're literally teetering on the same precipice. And in 10,000 years, some motherfucker is gonna find a World of Warcraft Burning Crusade CD ROM and wonder how we could have possibly had this technology.

Ive thought about this a few times before. Always with dumb ass shows like the Walking Dead, or "the Book of Eli" kind of thing.

They could have had some simple tool back then that for whatever reason was advanced enough in the most simplistic way to do the job thats in question. How many times have you been at your job, or doing a DIY project, and someone shows you a hack (or a makeshift tool) that after you learn how to use it, it makes that job way easier with better results? More often than not, a lot of these little "hacks" or "makeshift tools" are a "Duhhh, why didnt I think of that?" after learning how to use them, too. So who is to say that the answer isnt standing right in front of us even to this day?

As far as technological regression - I cannot see us going backwards more than say the early 1900's in technology. Even if a massive solar flare literally baked off part of our atmosphere and killed every remotely PC related part in the entire world ... and.. we survive that first event, and then survive the following event of nuclear reactors, dams and more going ape shit... then maybe, just maybe, we survive all that. 200 years in the future? Oh, hell yea, bro. Shits fucked on a much deeper level than now. But plumbers, electricians, mechanics, carpenters, etc. just arent going to disappear off the face of the earth in that time frame. Might take us a while to recover from the cluster fuck that just happened, but I just cannot imagine certain groups of people devolving into spear chuckers.

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Daidraco said:
Ive thought about this a few times before. Always with dumb ass shows like the Walking Dead, or "the Book of Eli" kind of thing.

They could have had some simple tool back then that for whatever reason was advanced enough in the most simplistic way to do the job thats in question. How many times have you been at your job, or doing a DIY project, and someone shows you a hack (or a makeshift tool) that after you learn how to use it, it makes that job way easier with better results? More often than not, a lot of these little "hacks" or "makeshift tools" are a "Duhhh, why didnt I think of that?" after learning how to use them, too. So who is to say that the answer isnt standing right in front of us even to this day?

As far as technological regression - I cannot see us going backwards more than say the early 1900's in technology. Even if a massive solar flare literally baked off part of our atmosphere and killed every remotely PC related part in the entire world ... and.. we survive that first event, and then survive the following event of nuclear reactors, dams and more going ape shit... then maybe, just maybe, we survive all that. 200 years in the future? Oh, hell yea, bro. Shits fucked on a much deeper level than now. But plumbers, electricians, mechanics, carpenters, etc. just arent going to disappear off the face of the earth in that time frame. Might take us a while to recover from the cluster fuck that just happened, but I just cannot imagine certain groups of people devolving into spear chuckers.

Its lamer than that in fallout. No one in fallout can sort out a fucking broom. They can't walk down the road and salvage material to fix their wall.

Chukzombi · Nov 6, 2023

12k years ago there was a mass extinction event. it wasnt just the internet went down and people forgot how to wipe their asses for a while. sections of this planet were flame broiled and everything in its path went poof. then the skies darkened with carbon and we had a nuclear winter for many years. it killed off the big animals and the smaller ones barely held on. we are the piddly shit that survived after the big dogs died.

Araysar · Nov 6, 2023

Chukzombi said:
didnt they try to recreate it and they couldnt even move a stone a fraction of their size? Stonehenge is also over 5000 years old and they supposedly didnt have wheels back then. they think maybe they used a boat, but the load would have been too heavy. people knew stuff back then. stuff we for some reason are unable to give them credit for. i think its because once you give them credit for certain technology, then it opens the door for other forms of technology and then we have our ancient global trade network which you refuse to believe is possible.

the wheel was invented at least a couple centuries before first stonehenge stone went up

at the very least archeologists believe that they rolled the stones on series of logs

Kharzette · Nov 6, 2023

No tooling makes perfect sense if you think of the diorite vases and such as trade goods.

They were probably made in a certain town that sank beneath the waves.

mkopec · Nov 6, 2023

Araysar said:
Thats the main thing that sets off my bullshit sensor

Not just the pots but everything else that is touted as "it couldnt be built/made with technology of that time" whether it comes to blocks, obelisks, household objects, funerary items, etc.

We can find all these examples of what was impossible to make at the time, but we can't find a single example of how. Not a single tool, not a single clay tablet with instructions, nothing.

What are the odds?

They did find the tools of the Egyptians. Bronze era tools like drills and saws, etc. Modern archeologists say that these statues, the obelisks weighing 100+ tons and the pyramids themselves with some of the stones that were mined 500miles away were all made with bronze tools and sand.

Rockwell hardness of bronze era tools was like 50 at most, Rockwell hardness of granite is 89. So explain to us all how these pots were made by bronze tools?

Even if these things were made in the late 1800s, and sold off as copies with lathes of the time there is no fucking way they had that shit pegged to the thousandth of an inch. Which you need CNC and computer CAD models. So either these things were set there by a time traveler or there is a real mystery there.

mkopec · Nov 6, 2023

Araysar said:
the wheel was invented at least a couple centuries before first stonehenge stone went up

at the very least archeologists believe that they rolled the stones on series of logs

Late Development . Wheeled vehicles appear relatively late in Egypt—surprisingly enough, there is no evidence that any sort of wheeled transport was available to the builders of the great Dynasty 4 pyramids at Giza, for example. Instead, wheels are pictured for the first time in the late Old Kingdom (circa 2675-2130 b.c.e.). From Dynasty 6, a tomb painting shows wheels used to help move a ladder in a scene of soldiers attempting to storm an enemy town. Wheeled sledges are pictured in tombs from the Dynasties 5, 11, and 13. All of these early examples are solid wheels, made without spokes.

Earliest Spoked Wheels . The use of spoked wheels appears to have been introduced into Egypt around the time of the transition from the Second Intermediate Period to the New Kingdom. The first known spoked wheels in Egypt are from a small wheeled cart with a model boat set on it from the tomb of Ahhotep, mother of Ahmose (Amosis), the first pharaoh of Dynasty 18. But the most important use of spoked wheels was as part of the basic construction of battle chariots, mentioned for the first time in an inscription of the very end of Dynasty 17. In all likelihood, chariots were not developed in Egypt but were, along with horses, introduced into Egypt from Syria-Palestine. Their actual original home is a matter of conjecture. The earliest examples of Egyptian chariots have wheels with only four spokes, but relatively soon afterward up to ten spokes were utilized. The construction of spoked wheels is illustrated in several tomb scenes.

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Araysar · Nov 6, 2023

mkopec said:
They did find the tools of the Egyptians. Bronze era tools like drills and saws, etc. Modern archeologists say that these statues, the obelisks weighing 100+ tons and the pyramids themselves with some of the stones that were mined 500miles away were all made with bronze tools and sand.

Rockwell hardness of bronze era tools was like 50 at most, Rockwell hardness of granite is 89. So explain to us all how these pots were made by bronze tools?

Even if these things were made in the late 1800s, and sold off as copies with lathes of the time there is no fucking way they had that shit pegged to the thousandth of an inch. Which you need CNC and computer CAD models. So either these things were set there by a time traveler or there is a real mystery there.

well yeah thats my point

Araysar · Nov 6, 2023

mkopec said:
Late Development . Wheeled vehicles appear relatively late in Egypt—surprisingly enough, there is no evidence that any sort of wheeled transport was available to the builders of the great Dynasty 4 pyramids at Giza, for example. Instead, wheels are pictured for the first time in the late Old Kingdom (circa 2675-2130 b.c.e.). From Dynasty 6, a tomb painting shows wheels used to help move a ladder in a scene of soldiers attempting to storm an enemy town. Wheeled sledges are pictured in tombs from the Dynasties 5, 11, and 13. All of these early examples are solid wheels, made without spokes.

Earliest Spoked Wheels . The use of spoked wheels appears to have been introduced into Egypt around the time of the transition from the Second Intermediate Period to the New Kingdom. The first known spoked wheels in Egypt are from a small wheeled cart with a model boat set on it from the tomb of Ahhotep, mother of Ahmose (Amosis), the first pharaoh of Dynasty 18. But the most important use of spoked wheels was as part of the basic construction of battle chariots, mentioned for the first time in an inscription of the very end of Dynasty 17. In all likelihood, chariots were not developed in Egypt but were, along with horses, introduced into Egypt from Syria-Palestine. Their actual original home is a matter of conjecture. The earliest examples of Egyptian chariots have wheels with only four spokes, but relatively soon afterward up to ten spokes were utilized. The construction of spoked wheels is illustrated in several tomb scenes.

Wheeled Vehicles | Encyclopedia.com

Wheeled VehiclesSources Source for information on Wheeled Vehicles: World Eras dictionary.

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i mean yeah, thats exactly what im saying

mkopec · Nov 6, 2023

So whats the BS meter then?

mkopec · Nov 6, 2023

Daidraco said:
As far as technological regression - I cannot see us going backwards more than say the early 1900's in technology. Even if a massive solar flare literally baked off part of our atmosphere and killed every remotely PC related part in the entire world ... and.. we survive that first event, and then survive the following event of nuclear reactors, dams and more going ape shit... then maybe, just maybe, we survive all that. 200 years in the future? Oh, hell yea, bro. Shits fucked on a much deeper level than now. But plumbers, electricians, mechanics, carpenters, etc. just arent going to disappear off the face of the earth in that time frame. Might take us a while to recover from the cluster fuck that just happened, but I just cannot imagine certain groups of people devolving into spear chuckers.

The thing you have to understand is that everything in our lives, tech and machine and knowlege wise is all compartmentalized. So lets say that tthere was a mass extinction event, say the Yellowstone volcano went off. OR asteroid hits us...etc...And 50%+ of he worlds people died off, which is not hard to fathom, right?

So how do you figure were only going to be set back to 1900s tech? Were going back to pure survival mode. Food and water, and shelter bro. Youre going to be spear chucking right off the bat to get food. Some little communities will form with some smart types that know a thing or two with hand tools and maybe some science shit like charging a battery or two using a windmill or some shit, but with the infrastructure gone, there isnt any machines running, no computers, none of that good shit. Plumbers? What good is a fucking plumber in the end times? Engineer? Maybe to build a better shack? So now fast forward a generation or two, and all the old world wisdom is now dead, ammo is all depleted, guns are rotting away. Only knowledge that survives is whats told from father to son. Smart dies in the first generation. Even the batteries will eventually die. There is no more schools, no more math, no more physics, no more machines, all that shit will just rust away. Fast forward a few more, and now you see how dumber we all get before we ever get smarter again. They will be telling tales of the "Atlantis" that once existed where a advanced civilization lived like gods around the camp fire.

Chukzombi · Nov 7, 2023

mkopec said:
They did find the tools of the Egyptians. Bronze era tools like drills and saws, etc. Modern archeologists say that these statues, the obelisks weighing 100+ tons and the pyramids themselves with some of the stones that were mined 500miles away were all made with bronze tools and sand.

Rockwell hardness of bronze era tools was like 50 at most, Rockwell hardness of granite is 89. So explain to us all how these pots were made by bronze tools?

Even if these things were made in the late 1800s, and sold off as copies with lathes of the time there is no fucking way they had that shit pegged to the thousandth of an inch. Which you need CNC and computer CAD models. So either these things were set there by a time traveler or there is a real mystery there.

even if they dropped the best steel tools in current year and with a lathe to go with it 5000 years ago. you still need somebody to hand carve around those handles. then do it with a precision in thousandths of an inch. who would even do that? how would you be able to measure to the thickness of a human hair? why did they make the Ramses face carving perfectly symmetrical?

what lathe did they use to do that?

Araysar · Nov 7, 2023

mkopec said:
So whats the BS meter then?

That the product is found in ample quantities but the means to produce it can't be found at all

Furry · Nov 7, 2023

Tholan said:
I'm highly dubious that the only things remaining from an advanced civ is a bunch of overly crafted pots.
How did they date them btw ? How did they go through 10000 years without being weathered down like all stones ?

I forgot the section of geology where stones disappear after 10000 years.

Furry · Nov 7, 2023

Chukzombi said:
what lathe did they use to do that?

I can use my extensive experience with furry art to conclusively state that the creator of this artwork was a man, not a woman. Also it is mostly symmetrical, not perfectly symmetrical. The errors are glaring if you look close. Easily something a person with hand tools could do with time. Obviously a skilled artisan who did a lot of work prior to this piece, but I think sometimes people here underestimate what a skilled white person can accomplish with time, patience and experience.

mkopec · Nov 7, 2023

Araysar said:
That the product is found in ample quantities but the means to produce it can't be found at all

So whats your theory on this?

Or how bout this question... What do you think would be left of our civilization in 10K years if some catastrophic event happened that destroyed our civ?

Araysar · Nov 7, 2023

mkopec said:
So whats your theory on this?

Well I don't have one, but that's why my bullshit sensor is going off.

Perfectly chiseled 30 ton granite blocks
urns cut to 0.001 of an inch
10 ton blocks fitted together so snugly that you can't slide a piece of paper between them
Granite slabs with perfectly bored holes
50 ton cut stones moved across hundreds of miles

List goes on and on. We can find all that but can't find a single piece of evidence that can reliably tell us how it was all done.

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