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Would it still be a surprise if they knew Mickey was intentionally picking easy fights and avoiding Clubber?
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Would it still be a surprise if they knew Mickey was intentionally picking easy fights and avoiding Clubber?
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not necessarily, he never faced Clubber before. Rocky might have rocked his world. it would be expected because Rocky was known for his amazing endurance. Clubber was not an endurance fighter. as Rocky proved by staying out of his way and letting Clubber tire himself out. it wasnt eye of the tiger that beat Clubber. it was Clubber going beast mode from the gate and being exhausted by the third round. Rocky just taunted him to keep him in beast mode til he pooped out.
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it can be argued that Rocky only lost the first fight with Clubber because he wanted to take down Clubber quickly so he could be with Mickey. if Rocky had just paced himself, not gone toe to toe with Clubber he would have had a better chance at winning that fight
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Rocky's reputation in the film, which is what ambiturner whole argument rests on, was built on a lie (actually ten lies)
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Mickey thought Rocky would lose to Clubber. that doesnt mean anything. he thought Apollo would beat Rocky the first and second time. Mickey isnt known for his confidence in Rocky's ability as a fighter. what is a known entity is Rocky not knowing when to give up. Rocky would have dogged Clubber til Rocky was unconscious or dead.
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Rocky was a much much better boxer than Lang, which is why he shit stomped him so hard in the rematch. The "eye of the tiger" and "being hungry" is something only Mickey even thought was a thing at that point.
You also don't get how boxing match ups work. He wasn't ducking Lang for 10 fights and they're "10 lies". When Lang became the #1 contender Rocky would have had a year to fight him or lose his title. You don't know anything about sports or boxing so you seem to think Lang was the #1 contender for years and years while Rocky was fighting all of them. You don't understand how ANY OF THIS works so just stop. In your mind someone's not an underdog if the challenger says he's going to beat the favorite which is actually funny it's so stupid
You also don't get how boxing match ups work. He wasn't ducking Lang for 10 fights and they're "10 lies". When Lang became the #1 contender Rocky would have had a year to fight him or lose his title. You don't know anything about sports or boxing so you seem to think Lang was the #1 contender for years and years while Rocky was fighting all of them. You don't understand how ANY OF THIS works so just stop. In your mind someone's not an underdog if the challenger says he's going to beat the favorite which is actually funny it's so stupid
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Again misrepresenting lol.
His reputation was built on ten title defences hand picked by Mickey. Lang is irrelevant to this point. Rockys reputation, which makes him the public favourite, was undeserved.
Again with the misrepresenting.
Again with the claim to know how a fictional boxing association works and what its rules are.
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This flailing is pathetic. Just accept you lost and go away. Did you miss the part where Rocky beat Apollo Creed? Remember him? The guy you actually thought Rocky fought in Rocky 3? Nobody had even lasted 12 rounds against Creed and then Rocky beat him. That's the biggest part of his reputation and that's not "a lie". Then Rocky beats the next 10 challengers.
You're basing everything on:
1. Your ignorance in sports and boxing
2. You thinking a challenger telling the champion he's better than him or a private conversation between a manager and a boxer will somehow change public opinion.
Champions are always accused of "ducking" certain fights, especially by the challengers wanting the fights. You don't know anything about boxing so you think this is some crazy new situation and Clubber saying this is going to send shockwaves through the world. You have the announcers telling you it was an upset, you have people who guess betting lines for a living trying to decide if Rocky's a -700 or -550 favorite.
You've been blown the fuck out for a while now, stop arguing just because you're an autistic faggot who can't admit he lost
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Unfortunately...multiple times.
Also holy shit I just jumped forward 3 pages and this Rocky argument is still going on
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Say what you will about her politically or personally but she showed up prepared. She'd whip out a damn BOOK in response to reporter questions and never lost any composure whatsoever. Compared to the last few press secretaries (and the ones before her as well) she was basically an assassin.
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Still misrepresenting what Lang actually said.
If the manager of any athlete said in public:
Your opponent "isn't just another fighter, he's a wrecking machine and he's hungry. You ain't been hungry since you won that belt. (Those ten title defences) was easy, they was hand picked! Weren't setups, they were good fighters but they weren't killers, he'll knock you into tomorrow"
That wouldn't change public opinion?
lmao honestly
I am not autistic
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i used to follow boxing and i have heard arguments that rankings are highly subjective and can be manipulated due to corruption or politics. for instance you could be the top fighter, but somehow be ranked third or lower depending on a certain fight you had that wasnt sanctioned by the committee. its been a long time, but rankings dont always mean you're the best if you're number 1.
Buster Douglas was ranked #7 and wrecked Tyson's shit who at the time was undefeated.
Buster Douglas was ranked #7 and wrecked Tyson's shit who at the time was undefeated.
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The true irony of the last three pages is none of these tools won the Asshat. It went to Womie because... Joo.
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lol all of this "But couldn't this be taken to mean that and could possibly affect public opinion??" is just refusing to admit you've been beaten. We literally the announcers telling us Rocky's a heavy favorite, but that's just a meaningless throwaway line apparently.
You repeatedly show you don't know anything about any of the subject matter. You've been beaten based on evidence from Rocky 3 where the announcers tell you Rocky was the favorite. You have people debating just how big of a favorite Rocky was, and all you have is making up dots to connect because that's all you have.
You lost a long time, you're just too autistic to realize it.
It's Mist. She's an NPC who's always been too stupid to think for herself and used to throw tantrums weekly where she'd threaten suicide when she'd lose an argument. There's no reason to ever take her seriously.
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If the manager of any athlete said in public:
Your opponent "isn't just another fighter, he's a wrecking machine and he's hungry. You ain't been hungry since you won that belt. (Those ten title defences) was easy, they was hand picked! Weren't setups, they were good fighters but they weren't killers, he'll knock you into tomorrow"
That wouldn't change public opinion?
Answer the question
It's one piece of evidence for your argument from one of two characters that are so insigificant that they aren't even given names
lmao.
Your whole argument this entire time has been "everyone but Mickey, thinks Rocky is the favourite".
We have already established that "Everyone but Mickey" is false, because Clubber Lang + 1 person.
But for Lang to make that accusation publically means all that we need for "Everyone but Mickey, plus Clubber Lang" to be false is just one more person. So is it totally unbelievable that every single person present at the statue, every single sports reporter, every single boxing bundit, every single boxing fan all thought "nah Lang is talking shit"
No.
Ergo "everyone but MIckey" is false.
But but but https://www.firesofheaven.org/threads/ignoring-users-makes-entire-threads-invisible.14813/
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lol keep talking in circles. You've been proven wrong. Rocky was the favorite as proven by the movie's own words and the video where people that try and guess betting lines for a living were debating on just how high of a favorite he was. No amount of "But what if!!!" or trying to pretend we're arguing about a single word used several posts after the argument began. It doesn't matter.
It's over. Good day.
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There are 9238 words in the Rocky 3 script.
You're claiming that those two words prove beyond all shadow of a doubt that Rocky was the underdog in the movie world.
2 words of 9238 is 0.216497077289457% of the script. (from a character so insigificant he isn't even given a name)
Compare to
"takes the easy matches, fights other bums. He fight them set-ups"
"I'm tellin you and everybody here"
All spoken by the main protagonist lol. Sure - Lang is irrelevant, nobody took him seriously. Nobody listened. None of the sports journalists bothered to quote him or even refer to his accusations.
Nobody bothered to analyse Rocky's record to see if the accusation had any merit lol.
lol talk about clutching at straws
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lol you think a challenger trash talking is going to affect whether they're a favorite or not? Your desperate flailing is getting sadder and sadder. Not only has the video evidence all proven you wrong, but your arguments are getting dumber and dumber.
Do you actually think trash talk between fighters affects who the favorite is? Do you know that little about boxing or sports in general?
And holy shit you saying the announcers aren't big stars in the movie so nothing they say matters is a new level a stupid. Guess who wrote the lines they said?
So the movie's own words, people that do this for a living, common sense, and SYLVESTER STALLONE all say you're a fucking idiot and to stop embarrassing yourself.
Will you listen?
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There we go again.
It's not trash talk if it's true - Mickey confirmed it was true.
0.216497077289457%
He also wrote Clubbers lines, Mickeys lines and visualised all the other elements of the script that beat you over the head with the fact Rocky was going to lose vs Clubber, lmao
PS
I only need ONE person to agree Clubber has a point for your claim of "Everyone but Mickey" to be false. (for the second time)