Australian in U.S. on baseball scholarship murdered by teens because they were bored

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Dumar_sl

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3. Al Sharpton and friends not putting more effort into dismantling the american thug culture.
Thug culture is anti-privilege culture, an expression of protest. You will never get rid of thug culture until you get rid of the protest behind it, else it will find expression in some other way.

Removing both is the requirement to get rid of one. The solution then, is a smooth income curve.
 

fanaskin

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Thug culture is anti-privilege culture, an expression of protest. You will never get rid of thug culture until you get rid of the protest behind it, else it will find expression in some other way.

Removing both is the requirement to get rid of one. The solution then, is a smooth income curve.
they don't take advantage of the opportunity around them nearly enough, thug culture is causing a feedback loop to entrench itself, it encourages men not to raise their children and be anti education. the thug culture is repressing their economic opportunity, by providing them a bad framework of existence that's a dead end, being a drug mule or petty crook is a deadend existence.

They need more Calvinistic attitudes to make it in this society.
 

Adebisi

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First step: legalize drugs.

How will thugs get their benjamins without drugs?
 

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Removing both is the requirement to get rid of one.
If this was true, then all minorities would have some form of thug culture. This isn't true at all. There is no reason that the "anti-privilege" culture has to have a huge negative influence on its members like thug culture.
 

Dumar_sl

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they don't take advantage of the opportunity around them nearly enough, thug culture is causing a feedback loop to entrench itself, it encourages men not to raise their children and be anti education. the thug culture is repressing their economic opportunity, by providing them a bad framework of existence that's a dead end, being a drug mule or petty crook is a dead end existence.

they need more Calvinistic attitudes to make it in this society, it's far more pragmatic and it's far easier for the small subset to conform to the society than to expect the ENTIRE society to re align. atleast if I was them I wouldn't expect anything, the only person that looks out for you ultimately is yourself.
Then it will never be fixed. It's the same as religion. As long as outright human suffering exists, so too will religion. If you want to get rid of religion, you must get rid of the underlying suffering.
 

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Then it will never be fixed. It's the same as religion. As long as outright human suffering exists, so too will religion. If you want to get rid of religion, you must get rid of the underlying suffering.
that's a rather pessimistic viewpoint of individuals.

alternate viewpoint: if they weren't literally encouraged to do the wrong thing with money and incentives, they physically wouldn't be able to sustain this culture.

government intervention has become a problem at this point, subsidizing bad behavior is feeding the situation where it's absence would automatically force a correction, it seems highly plausible it couldn't be sustained without it.
 

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First step: legalize drugs.

How will thugs get their benjamins without drugs?
Hmmm,

1. Remove another source of income from blacks by legalizing drugs
2. Spring loose all the black criminals already locked up on drug charges
3. Tell them to get jobs in an overcrowded job market
4. Black riots the likes of which you've never seen
 

Dumar_sl

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government intervention has become a problem at this point, subsidizing bad behavior is feeding the situation where it's absence would automatically force a correction, it seems highly plausible it couldn't be sustained without it.
Absence of any help will lead to more violence and further thug culture. You can't steal from and manipulate people covertly (i.e., nothing but min wage jobs, govt and programs that do not work for their interest, only to keep them where they are, etc) and not expect them to rebel in some fashion. How or why do you think Christianity started? It was the exact same thing. If you further oppress inner city blacks by 'making them work harder' we might get another (black?) Messiah.

Or, much more likely, more crime.
 

Dumar_sl

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anyway, a lot of these issues arise from class conflict, not race.
Yup. race means nothing when both white and blacks have an income that allows them to have a happy life. The problem is we can't, as a society, smooth out that income without taking away the multi-billiionaires 5th and 6th yachts.
 

fanaskin

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try explaining gini co efficients with these people, there's a certain window after your FORMATIVE years that, you've been doing crazy shit like this for say 30 years, that is who you are. After your formative years and as you get older, it takes increasingly alot more personal growth and mental re engineering of personality to get rid of the effects putting yourself in situations like that.

'Being raped by a gang is normal - it's about craving to be accepted'
Former gang member reveals how women suffer shocking sexual abuse in return for 'status
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I know somebody is going to come around here and argue "well you have no idea if those people are intelligent or not, so what if alot of them gang rape woman"

you know what there's something wrong in the pattern recognition portion of your brain if you can't imagine some correlation.
 

Dumar_sl

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try explaining gini co efficients with these people, there's a certain window after your FORMATIVE years that, you've been doing crazy shit like this for say 30 years, that is who you are. After your formative years and as you get older, it takes increasingly alot more personal growth and mental re engineering of personality to get rid of the effects putting yourself in situations like that.

'Being raped by a gang is normal - it's about craving to be accepted'
Former gang member reveals how women suffer shocking sexual abuse in return for 'status
'

I know somebody is going to come around here and argue "well you have no idea if those people are intelligent or not, so what if alot of them gang rape woman"

you know what there's something wrong in the pattern recognition portion of your brain if you can't imagine some correlation.
Absolutely. If you're raised in a cultural pattern of rebellion, you're obviously going to rebel. The question, then, is nothow do we get rid of thug culture? The question ishow do we get rid of the problem that causes thug culture?
 

fanaskin

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Yup. race means nothing when both white and blacks have an income that allows them to have a happy life. The problem is we can't, as a society, smooth out that income without taking away the multi-billiionaires 5th and 6th yachts.
now you're talking about economics and the bigger pressure crushing the population economically is the federal reserve which is causing inflation.

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Dumar_sl

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Well yes, inflation and the Fed are issues, but I was talking about the income curve. We can still have inflation but a much smoother income curve.

Class as Social Relationship - Conflict and Struggle. At several points, Marx notes how the class defines itself, or is a class only as it acts in opposition to other classes. Referring to the emergence of the burghers or bourgeoisie as a class in early capitalist Europe, Marx notes how

'The separate individuals form a class only insofar as they have to carry on a common battle against another class; otherwise they are on hostile terms with each other as competitors.' (Giddens and Held, p. 20).

Both competition and unity can thus characterize a class; there can be very cut-throat competition among capitalists, but when the property relations and existence of the bourgeois class is threatened, the bourgeoisie acts together to protect itself. This becomes apparent when rights of private property or the ability of capital to operate freely comes under attack. The reaction of the bourgeoisie may involve common political action and ideological unity, and it is when these come together that the bourgeoisie as a class exists in its fullest form. In commenting on France, Marx notes that the French peasantry may be dispersed and lacking in unity, but


'In so far as millions of families live under economic conditions of existence that separate their mode of life, their interests and their culture from those of the other classes, and put them in hostile opposition to the latter, they form a class.' (Giddens, p. 37)
Thug culture, white and black.
 

tad10

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Shouldn't the title be changed? Wasn't it confirmed that this was some kind of gang initation. It was more than just "bored".
 

Adebisi

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Hmmm,

1. Remove another source of income from blacks by legalizing drugs
2. Spring loose all the black criminals already locked up on drug charges
3. Tell them to get jobs in an overcrowded job market
4. Black riots the likes of which you've never seen
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Yup. race means nothing when both white and blacks have an income that allows them to have a happy life. The problem is we can't, as a society, smooth out that income without taking away the multi-billiionaires 5th and 6th yachts.
So that fixes everything? Just take money from the rich and give it to the poor and all of societies problems go away? Can you think of an example of this working at some point in the past?