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The discussion is about the movie version of Thor's Hammer. In which it has been established that Asgard is not sorcery... just crazy advanced technology that to the Human world is like sorcery. Remember Thor 2 when his woman correctly identified the theoretical tech in the Asgard MRI machine?

So far the fruits of this discussion are that, based on the new trailer and previous MU films. The trolling capabilities of Thor's Hammer are limitless.
 
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Robots are able to lift the hammer.

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yeah. there is no right answer. its varied from writer to writer. and sometimes writers go too far with stupid shit... like the red hulk example. Most agree. no. thats not how it works.


My personal feeling is, "the hammer weighs as much as the entire might of Asgard".
So, if the Hulk is SO pissed off, that he could literally lift all of asgard. then he could move it. Of course such a thing would likely also just result in moving the Earth itself in orbit.

Generally, most agree, if you move the table itself, you can move. Clearly moving it, is not the same as weilding it.

The actual definition of worthy is:
honorable, willing to fight and kill for righteousness.

WW can wield it. Cap can. Alex Power can. Superman can not. (won't kill)

Odin can "will" the ability to wield it, as well take it away. he has done this for superman. iirc took it from beta ray bill, before giving him his own hammer.

Current story has Thor becoming not worthy or something. I expect the likely cause to be, someone having rewritten the enchantment, changing the definition of worthy.
The obviously changed he to she.
 
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Devlin_sl said:
From Wiki:

"Mjolnir itself has several enchantments: no living being may lift the hammer unless they are worthy; it returns to the exact spot from which it is thrown and returns to Thor when summoned; it may summon the elements of storm (lightning, wind, and rain) by stamping its handle twice on the ground;[1] manipulate the weather on an almost global scale;[4] open interdimensional portals, allowing its wielder to travel to other dimensions (such as from Earth to Asgard)"

Magneto would not be able to lift it.
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Using his magnetic force, he might be able to.

See #2 in the link.Top 5: Poseurs Who Have Wielded Thors Hammer
 
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Can we agree that the Movies are interpretations and we only care that the movies operate within the constraints that they've created for them? IE Asgard is not actual magic like in the comics... just advanced technology. Not that it would necessarily make any difference.
 
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TJT_sl said:
Can we agree that the Movies are interpretations and we only care that the movies operate within the constraints that they've created for them? IE Asgard is not actual magic like in the comics... just advanced technology. Not that it would necessarily make any difference.
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No.
 
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It's comics. Whatever logic or continuity there is any writer can and will change it on a whim. Red Hulk probably shouldn't have been able to wield the hammer just because he was in space but he did. It opens up the possibility of anyone with a gravity based power or tech to use the hammer. That is until it's all retconned, if it hasn't been already.

And that scene reeks of Chekov's gun. They're reintroducing the rules of the hammer to the audience so it's more badass when Cap uses it to land the killing blow on Ultron.
 
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TJT_sl said:
Can we agree that the Movies are interpretations and we only care that the movies operate within the constraints that they've created for them? IE Asgard is not actual magic like in the comics... just advanced technology. Not that it would necessarily make any difference.
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To elaborate upon Lyrical's response, there is still "magical" stuff going on in Asgard in the movies. This enchantment being a prime example, but there are other things as well like the Casket of Ancient Winters, the Infinity Gauntlet and Gems, Lorelei being able to seduce any man on Agents of Shield, etc.. Whether or not they are actual magic or some advanced science may never be answered...but a lot of this is going to hinge upon what they do with Doctor Strange. And to a lesser extent Scarlet Witch, but I have a feeling hers will be handled differently. If his is just some advanced alien tech, then we'll have some more arguing to do (and a lot of pissed off fans I bet). But I sincerely doubt they will go that route, and instead think that they will make it actual magic. Which would open the door to there being magic on things like Thor's hammer.
 
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bixxby_sl said:
I'm no expert in childrens movies but im pretty sure characters can evolve over time especially when you have an 80 year plan for the stories to run through
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Hold the phone.... All these years I assumed your forum name was connected to Bill Bixby. Now I am not so sure. Your passive aggressive dig at folks who like "children's movies" now leads me to believe otherwise.

Are you named after the beloved original actor who played Bruce Banner or is this just one fucked up coincidence?
 
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TJT_sl said:
Can we agree that the Movies are interpretations and we only care that the movies operate within the constraints that they've created for them? IE Asgard is not actual magic like in the comics... just advanced technology. Not that it would necessarily make any difference.
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It's magic because a wizard did it =D
 
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TJT_sl said:
Asgard is not actual magic like in the comics... just advanced technology. Not that it would necessarily make any difference.
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You keep saying this, but wasn't Thor's explanation that they view science and magic as one, not that their technology is so far advanced? Like, they use the two together. I don't remember if it was expanded on by someone else beyond that though.

" Thor: Your ancestors called it magic...

Thor: ...but you call it science. I come from a land where they are one and the same. "

So it's still open to some interpretation, at least from Thor 1.
 
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Grimmlokk_sl said:
You keep saying this, but wasn't Thor's explanation that they view science and magic as one, not that their technology is so far advanced? Like, they use the two together. I don't remember if it was expanded on by someone else beyond that though.

" Thor: Your ancestors called it magic...

Thor: ...but you call it science. I come from a land where they are one and the same. "

So it's still open to some interpretation, at least from Thor 1.
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Ah, you're right Ser. I remember this now. I guess in my mind I just thought of it as technology after seeing the second movie. But I supposed Techno-Magic is probably more accurate.
 
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I don't think there is any other way to go with Dr Strange other than a magic route.

The first Thor movie was while they were still finding their feet and seeing what they could get away with.
 
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I'm not so sure humble Cap isn't sandbagging and could actually move that hammer~
 
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HUH_sl said:
It's comics. Whatever logic or continuity there is any writer can and will change it on a whim. Red Hulk probably shouldn't have been able to wield the hammer just because he was in space but he did. It opens up the possibility of anyone with a gravity based power or tech to use the hammer.
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If you look at the link I sent, it did show tech (robots) being able to pick up the hammer. And one villain that had the power to control the Earth was able to pick the hammer up, with a lava hand. The point is, organics can't move it, if not worthy enough. The rule does not apply to inorganic items.
 
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should also point out, moving it, and wielding it are not the same.
Wielders are magically empowered. usually with a change of cloths included.
 
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Everyone seems to be really over-thinking this. If magic exists, it's just a "force/essence/stuff" that you manipulate to do what you want. Could you not then explore and experiment with it, and gain a scientific understanding of it? We don't think of magnetism as magic because we understand how and why it works, yet you can do some incredibly "magical" things with that understanding.
 
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Thor is possibly the faggiest "superhero" in the entire MU
 
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