Avengers: Endgame (2019)
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Malakriss
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I don't have an issue with Thanos motivation, I think they are internally very consistent and make sense from his point of you. I'll simplify the whole thing.
Titan, it's overpopulated, he proposes to kill half the people in a lottery to avoid war over limited resources. No one believes him, he doesn't do anything...war ensues and Titan gets destroyed.
Then he goes to other planets(Gamora) which have the same problem Titan had and he does kill have the population, and it becomes a paradise.
His solution to the overpopulation problem works.
Doing one planet at a time is too slow though, while he saves a few more gets destroyed by wars. He needs a faster way to do it, enter the infinity stones. He learns of the stone and that he could wipe half the universe at once, it's perfect. Do what's been working on one world at a time and do it to the entire universe at once.
He never look for another solution at this point because he's been doing it this way for decades and it's working. What he wants the stones with isn't for a different solution, it's just to be able to implement his solution(that works) on a global scale.
It's consistent, it makes sense from his point of view. He goes on about how it doesn't bring him joy but it's something that needs to be done, because he has seen personally what happen when nothing is done. They talk about what an honor it is to die for this, since your sacrifice will saves others for generations.
I mean we all probably have come across people who do stuff one way and refuse to change because it's working, even though there's a different way to do it that might be better. It might be dumb and stupid, but it's still happens all the time, Thanos is no different, just the scale of what he is doing is different.
I don't have an issue, and I don't think it's a plot hole.
Titan, it's overpopulated, he proposes to kill half the people in a lottery to avoid war over limited resources. No one believes him, he doesn't do anything...war ensues and Titan gets destroyed.
Then he goes to other planets(Gamora) which have the same problem Titan had and he does kill have the population, and it becomes a paradise.
His solution to the overpopulation problem works.
Doing one planet at a time is too slow though, while he saves a few more gets destroyed by wars. He needs a faster way to do it, enter the infinity stones. He learns of the stone and that he could wipe half the universe at once, it's perfect. Do what's been working on one world at a time and do it to the entire universe at once.
He never look for another solution at this point because he's been doing it this way for decades and it's working. What he wants the stones with isn't for a different solution, it's just to be able to implement his solution(that works) on a global scale.
It's consistent, it makes sense from his point of view. He goes on about how it doesn't bring him joy but it's something that needs to be done, because he has seen personally what happen when nothing is done. They talk about what an honor it is to die for this, since your sacrifice will saves others for generations.
I mean we all probably have come across people who do stuff one way and refuse to change because it's working, even though there's a different way to do it that might be better. It might be dumb and stupid, but it's still happens all the time, Thanos is no different, just the scale of what he is doing is different.
I don't have an issue, and I don't think it's a plot hole.
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chthonic-anemos
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j00t
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im replying to myself because im pretentious enough to pull it off. i just re-watched infinity war and this idea makes the "you're not the only one cursed with knowledge" bit even better.
there's a piece where both stark and thanos wish they werent burdened with what they know, because it forces their hand. stark WANTS to just retire and raise a family with pepper, but he KNOWS that forces like thanos are out there so he's forced to act. thanos WANTS to do nothing, but he KNOWS that if he does that, people will suffer.
and the gems being all powerful... its true, but there is a sense of impermanence when they are used. thanos turns drax into cubes and mantis into ribbons, but as soon as he leaves, they reform back into their unaltered state. i honestly dont really find it to be that big of a plot hole at all, though. he found success in his original idea so theres no reason to alter it.
there IS; however, evidence that altering reality to change birth rates, or to create infinite resources would reset as soon as he stopped concentrating on it. and when he finger snaps, making a one-time, singular change on a universal level destroyed the gauntlet and caused all kinds of burns marks all over his arm up to his neck. its entirely plausible that creating infinite resources would only be temporary and would kill him in the process
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This is probably the only close explanation I've seen that gives it sense to me. I still don't think his actions would have any actual lasting effect for his goals, but I'm willing to just go with "it's simply the best he could manage, it had to be good enough" and leave it at that. All other elements of the character were good enough that I don't mind suspending belief on it.
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Malakriss
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Gavinmad
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Color me skeptical, an extra half hour and change longer than any of the previous Avengers movies?
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Szlia
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The accountants and theaters will not like that much, because, when you get past some duration, you basically lose one screening a day per screen. Obviously there is a Titanic counter-example and the mountain of money it made despite its 195 min run time, but it's considered an outlier in more ways than one (for instance it was supposed to be released in the summer, but because of delays in SFX, it was released on December 19!).
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Accountants can fuck right off. They've ruined many products and have never improved anything from a fan's perspective
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Harshaw
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Seananigans
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Yeah that might be a generality but I personally love long run time movies if they’re deserving, and it has no bearing on repeatability.
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khorum
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Braveheart wasn't THAT long.... did it even have an intermission like Titanic?
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