You can't let them know that's what you want though. It has to be all their idea.
I have a feeling the tape might be swapped or something by Mike.
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I have a feeling the tape might be swapped or something by Mike.
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There's no way everyone didn't already know there was a backup tape. I'm guessing they're either planning something with the tape, or they just want Chuck to think that.
I wouldn't be surprised if Chuck's wife shows up or she plays some role, but having Mike steal her number as a means of getting ahold of her wouldn't make any sense. They know who she is so there's 100 different ways of getting in contact with her, stealing her contact information from Chuck is needlessly convoluted.
Also, what Chuck did is in no way entrapment.
Chukzombi
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yeah, but its some kind of fuckery to set up jimmy, i hink that paper has something to do with the lady doctor, maybe a scrip for some crazy pills or something she couldnt divulge due to doctor/patient privilege.
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I'm positive that Kim taped Chuck saying that he actually has the original and not the copy. You could see Howard give him an Oh shit look. So since he destroyed a copy and not the original he didn't actually destroy evidence. Then Saul starts showing how bat shit crazy Chuck is to explain why he was just saying shit to calm him down, with the pictures and whatever ties in to what's on the paper that Mike got from Chucks address book. Also in the confession it says peice of personal property or something and not cassette tape so Saul can just say yah it was the door.
The next episode is also called Chicanery which I think fits the whole not destroying evidence angle.
The next episode is also called Chicanery which I think fits the whole not destroying evidence angle.
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I want the surprise witness to be Ernesto.
ppl be like,
"lemme get this straight, you're a mail boy, you deliver mail"
Ernesto: "yup"
"but, you also deliver canned food and foil blankets to Mr. Crazy here?"
Ernesto: "yup"
"and why were you let go?"
Ernesto: "maybe cuz i'm black?, they never gave me a real reason"
ppl be like,
"lemme get this straight, you're a mail boy, you deliver mail"
Ernesto: "yup"
"but, you also deliver canned food and foil blankets to Mr. Crazy here?"
Ernesto: "yup"
"and why were you let go?"
Ernesto: "maybe cuz i'm black?, they never gave me a real reason"
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Chukzombi
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thats a good scenario, maybe we shouldnt speculate so much, i think we are getting our hopes up to be disappointed with their actual strategy or if we guessed it right then we kind of spoiled it for ourselves. not trying to shit on the cool theorycrafting we got going here, but afterwards it inevitably leads to people saying , ahh shit thats dumb why didnt they do this or do that?
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oh, I almost forgot about Ernesto's role in all this. He could also be a witness, for sure. He's so honest he'll end up telling everything that condemns Chuck in the end, without even meaning to. "yes, I would bring him ice every day because Mr. Mcgill told me the electrical waves from a freezer would fry his brain and I didn't want that to happen to him.."
Also, there is going to be some kind of loophole between the fact the copy was destroyed and the changing of the wording, for sure. They focused on 'damaged' instead of destroyed so they made them think that was the part they were fighting over, rather then the 'evidence/personal property' part.
I'm starting to guess maybe Jimmy or Chuck's ex-wife originally bought the cassette recorder and a bunch of blank cassettes, which means it wasn't 'Chuck's' personal property at all. Or, some other similar loophole. He'll also act like he was simply playing along with Chuck's delusions up until this point, and have a mountain of evidence showing this is basically all just due to Chuck being crazy with a made up vendetta against his brother.
Also, there is going to be some kind of loophole between the fact the copy was destroyed and the changing of the wording, for sure. They focused on 'damaged' instead of destroyed so they made them think that was the part they were fighting over, rather then the 'evidence/personal property' part.
I'm starting to guess maybe Jimmy or Chuck's ex-wife originally bought the cassette recorder and a bunch of blank cassettes, which means it wasn't 'Chuck's' personal property at all. Or, some other similar loophole. He'll also act like he was simply playing along with Chuck's delusions up until this point, and have a mountain of evidence showing this is basically all just due to Chuck being crazy with a made up vendetta against his brother.
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Yup, he basically put this as evidence by acquiescing to the judge and showing his defeatist attitude and apologetic nature when that arbitrator???/judge asked for an apology.
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Thank you Abe and Enzee for theorycrafting based on the actual events that happened in the episode.
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I think it's going to b a pretty epic Coup de Grace and a turning point for Jimmy to prove to himself and Chuck that he is fully capable of bending a court to his will.
That he is just as good at the game as Chuck is. He just has to play it his way.
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This is where I think they're going with it. Show he's crazy, then show it was all pre-meditated and nothing more than a personal vendetta. I bet the ex wife will tell a story about how torn up chuck was that jimmy got a law license.
Ernesto also knows that jimmy was at the kinkos, doesn't he? If ernesto testifies, he might torpedo both of them.
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I didn't mean entrapment in the formal legal sense, but as in Chuck set out to prepare a trap for Jimmy. No idea what else Mike could've extracted from the phone book but he handed it to jimmy on a slip of paper. If not Rebecca's contact info maybe Chuck's old therapist?
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I guess a counterargument is something Jimmy mentioned already: all the folks who'd be at the Bar association hearing would be Chuck's best buds. They've spent two seasons showing the lengths to which HHM and other major firms would go to accomodate Chuck's condition, so telling them about Chuck's craziness wouldn't work simply because they'd already know about it and are sympathetic to Chuck.
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This hearing is stacked with all of Chucks peers and friends so this whole look how nuts chuck is because of his condition is pointless because they already know. The only way it can work is for them to prove its mental and not an actual physical condition. The way the doctor did in the hospital by showing Jimmy that the bed was on and Chuck didn't notice.
I still think it comes down to the fact that Chuck admitted Jimmy destroyed a copy and not the real evidence and somehow Dues Ex Mikeina alters the original somehow.
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Oh that's the plot of the ending of Death Note. Jimmy is going to slip his way into a bank vault and tape over the confession so that Chuck can't use it.
He'll then use the photos of the state of the house and witnesses to play it off as snapping while being a full time carer for a crazy person.
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That's likely.
I think the unresolved story behind Chuck's divorce and his breakdown is too tantalizing for the writers to pass up tho. If anything they prolly won't wanna resolve both his divorce and his condition in one episode, but since we've actually seen Rebecca previously in the series it's likely they've been building up to having her reveal exactly how Chuck ended up that way.
I think the unresolved story behind Chuck's divorce and his breakdown is too tantalizing for the writers to pass up tho. If anything they prolly won't wanna resolve both his divorce and his condition in one episode, but since we've actually seen Rebecca previously in the series it's likely they've been building up to having her reveal exactly how Chuck ended up that way.
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Jimmy did reference her and she hasnt been in this season yet, so in proper TV show formula, she will likely be brought in soon for context. i dunno if those pictures were to convince the bar lawyers chuck is crazy or to convince the ex wife that chuck needs help. i think chuck is going to lose his shit completely regardless and jimmy will deeply regret doing this to him. it may even cause him to change his name because of it.