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Caliane

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I've had the ETH live chart on a side screen at my house this evening. It was funny watching it take HOURS to fight from 2997-2999.99. Then it pops $3k and immediately jumps to $3025 within a minute. All hail "psychologically important" numbers!

And just to reiterate it...
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3.2k!

I was actually expecting a big selloff. all those orders like mentioned the other day. But it barely seemed to have any suppression at 2999, and just blew past 3k. steady rise from 2900-2980. tiny depression back to 2950. then right back up.

3.2 looks like it hit a small one too. back down to 3150. up and down for the last few hours staying there.

But thats no real selloff.

And, BTC quietly following Eth.. back up to 58.8k.
 

Flobee

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Pretty good description of what I would consider the "enemy" in this space. There is a rabbithole behind this regarding privacy, KYC, and the race between regulators and devs. If you're bearish on crypto's future this is probably the best reason why you could be.



Article he reads:

It’s not that the State and the status quo institutionalization of capital – call it Wall Street, for short – have any desire to ban Bitcoin. Why would they do that? No, far better to accommodate and swallow Bitcoin, like they have every other financial “innovation” for the past 1,000 years. Far better to neuter the censorship-resistant and anonymity-preserving aspects of Bitcoin, and turn it into another gaming table in the Wall Street casino.

Everything in plain text in the next two paragraphs is regulatory policy as it currently stands with the BSA and FBAR. Everything in bold italics is a new policy proposed in the past few months and expected to go into effect shortly. Taken together, I think it will be clear how Treasury uses the combined BSA and FBAR instruments to mark your Bitcoin with a DayGlo orange fluorescent paint and create their highly visible version of Bitcoin! TM.

BSA — If you are in the business of money in any way, shape or form (what Treasury calls a “money transmitter”), and you do any of that business in the US, then you are subject to the Bank Secrecy Act. Note that this money transmitter designation and BSA jurisdiction explicitly includes peer-to-peer exchanges that work with self-hosted wallets. If you are subject to the BSA, then it is your affirmative obligation to collect complete identifying information regarding clients who transmit or receive more than $3,000 over your systems, and to collect and immediately report to Treasury complete identifying information regarding clients who transmit or receive more than $10,000 over your systems – including any cryptocurrency (“convertible virtual currency”) transmitted to or from a self-hosted wallet.

FBAR — If you are a US entity (citizen or resident, any type of US-registered corporate or trust structure, etc.) and you have any sort of account (banking, securities, custodial, etc.) with any non-US money transmitter, anywhere in the world, and at any time during the course of the year, you have in the aggregate across all accounts more than $10,000 in value in those accounts – including the value of any cryptocurrency holdings (“convertible virtual currency”) in those accounts – then it is your affirmative obligation to report complete identifying information regarding each of those accounts to the IRS in a Report of Foreign Bank and Financial Accounts (FBAR).

I think the intent here is crystal clear. Whatever rules were in place yesterday regarding transfers of dollars or rubles or pesos through US-touching money transmitters or by US entities … well, now those exact same rules are going to apply to Bitcoin. As soon as your virtual currency holdings land in any financial institution that cooperates with or does business in or is regulated by the United States … BAM! your Bitcoin is painted DayGlo orange and becomes the Treasury-preferred form of Bitcoin! TM.

When these regulations go into full effect, as I understand them, the only remaining safe harbor for keeping your Bitcoin hidden from the BSA/FBAR Eye of Sauron will be to maintain a self-hosted wallet that never connects with a money transmitter that does business in the US.

That’s a safe harbor for the moment, but ultimately nothing is safe from the Eye of Sauron. While 2019 guidance explicitly states that “a person conducting a transaction through an unhosted wallet to purchase goods or services on their own behalf is not a money transmitter”, and so is not subject to the Bank Secrecy Act directly, the December, 2020 proposed rule-making doc also included this doozy of a comment.

The Treasury Department has previously noted that “[a]nonymity in transactions and funds transfers is the main risk that facilitates money laundering.”
The Financial Action Task Force (“FATF”) has similarly observed that the extent to which anonymous peer-to-peer permit transactions via unhosted wallets, without involvement of a virtual asset service provider or a financial institution, is a key potential AML/CFT risk in some CVC systems.
FATF members have specifically observed that unregulated peer-to-peer transactions “could present a leak in tracing illicit flows of virtual assets,” particularly if one or more blockchain-based CVC networks were to reach global scale.
Importantly, as explained below, while data contained on some blockchains are open to public inspection and can be used by authorities to attempt to trace illicit activity, FinCEN believes that this data does not sufficiently mitigate the risks of unhosted and otherwise covered wallets.
That last paragraph doesn’t mince words. Even if the blockchain facilitating a crypto currency allows for “authorities” to trace transactions, “the risks of unhosted and otherwise covered [i.e., hidden from the Eye of Sauron] wallets” are too great to let stand. LOL. I think we all see where this is going.
 
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Aaron

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Fuckin hell... Back in 2015 I almost entered into a bet with a friend where if I had won (and 20/20 hindsight says I would have), he would have given me something like $100 worth of Dogecoin back then. Why the hell did I chicken out? How much would 2015 $100 of Dogecoin be worth today? Anyone know?
 
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TJT

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Fuckin hell... Back in 2015 I almost entered into a bet with a friend where if I had won (and 20/20 hindsight says I would have), he would have given me something like $100 worth of Dogecoin back then. Why the hell did I chicken out? How much would 2015 $100 of Dogecoin be worth today? Anyone know?
It would have been about $400k.

July 2015, 1 Doge = $0.0001 so $100 would have netted you a little over a million doge coins. Which are selling for $0.40 right now.

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Haus

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Fuckin hell... Back in 2015 I almost entered into a bet with a friend where if I had won (and 20/20 hindsight says I would have), he would have given me something like $100 worth of Dogecoin back then. Why the hell did I chicken out? How much would 2015 $100 of Dogecoin be worth today? Anyone know?

Doge has a high price in 2015 somewhere around .000145 cents per Doge. SO that would have been around 690k doge.

Current price is around .40 per Doge...

That would suss out to around $275k today. But at the same point if you'd gotten it in 2015 would you REALLY have held it this long? Odds are you would have sold a .01 or .02 (which would have still been impressive)
 
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Mist

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I can't get money into my accounts fast enough to buy as much as I want.
 
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Armadon

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So should I stake all my etherium into 2.0 or just some of it and keep some free? I have 10 etherium right now.
 
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Threelions

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Hope everyone who wanted ETH already bought it
This is what we've been saying for at least a 2 months on here now. The value was still there at around 2k. This movement is exciting. At some point we will hit the wall, but the fact it's eclipsed 3k and didn't immediately dip down is an excellent sign.
 
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Arden

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I can't get money into my accounts fast enough to buy as much as I want.
That's exactly what happened to me when ETH was 1600. By the time I got everything transferred it was around 2000. Fwiw I think it's still very early for ETH. I'm going to be buying more myself if we ever get a dip.
 
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Tmac

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[edit] Fee is only $50. So, return is actually $3,150.
 
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