Blizzard dies and Bobby rides

Chersk said:

Icy veins has FF guides now. I think the worst part of that game aside from all the anime shit is that there is no class customization. No skill tree or options at all. I’m at an absolute loss as to why it’s gotten so popular lately. Weird.

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Anime shit? People never really explain what that is. Isn't WoW badly written capeshit?

Anyway think of WoW as having 12 classes with 3 specs each, so 36 ways to play. FF14 has 1 class with 20 specs, so 20 ways to play.

The benefit is that since it's all on one character, you never have to repeat the story (unless you want to with New Game +) and there's multiple ways to level. A lot of gear is shared between some classes too so it's very "alt" friendly.

Also consider how much customisation you practically have in WoW, aren't you just doing what Icy Veins says? I do think this is a past strength of WoW but I can just play Path of Exile if I want that itch scratched (which uses the FF7 and FF10 customisation systems lol).

I have every job levelled up to 50 at least in FF14 after 6 months of playing it a lot. I switched my main from White Mage to Gunbreaker to Paladin over the last two expansions, I was rewarded by having it be super easy to level up the two old jobs to max level since I already put a lot of work in.

In WoW I've played since launch and I haven't touched most classes (Priest main), the alts had their progress wiped in the level squishes or made pointless by free boosts (Warrior, Paladin, Demon Hunter, Druid, Hunter).

WoW absolutley has a lot of advantages over FF14.

Skill customisation through talent trees.
Gear customisation through enchants.
Better movement around the game world and zone connectivity.
Better story telling method for an MMO (in game events/speech and short high impact cutscenes).

What has gone wrong is that a lot of the customisation has been stripped out or deemphasised, the story telling is moving towards the FF14 model and the game world has been reduced to current patch. They burned out their own advantages.

The absolute #1 advantage of FF14 is access to old content at roughly the same difficulty it used to be at, so you can't really run out of content if you haven't been playing all along. #2 is classes all being on the same chracter.

I would like to see WoW copy the "timewalking" and multi class systems of FF14 but go it's own way on customisation, for that they need to be less controlling about things being OP and more proactive about buffing underperforming things.

TJT said:

But I admit that JRPGs aren't for everyone and thats the heart and soul of FF.

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Wat? FF14 is a pretty standard MMO.

Being able to play multiple jobs on 1 character is by far Final Fantasy's biggest advantage. The next best part being that it tells a great story.

The gameplay in FF is kind of garbage though. The response time of abilities is terrible because of all of the animation delay. WoW has smoother gameplay by far and is much more enjoyable to play. It's too bad blizzard has totally abandoned the game and just recycled the same shitty systems for the past few years.

Gavinmad said:

Wat? FF14 is a pretty standard MMO.

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Other than the divisive hundreds of hours mostly single player campaign? Yeah.

Korillo said:

Being able to play multiple jobs on 1 character is by far Final Fantasy's biggest advantage. The next best part being that it tells a great story.

The gameplay in FF is kind of garbage though. The response time of abilities is terrible because of all of the animation delay. WoW has smoother gameplay by far and is much more enjoyable to play. It's too bad blizzard has totally abandoned the game and just recycled the same shitty systems for the past few years.

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It's like Diablo 3 vs Path of Exile.

Diablo 3 has the smoothest most perfect balance of responsiveness, movement and animations. The game world and systems were soulless.

Path of Exile was very clunky like Diablo 2 and even now after engine improvements isn't as good as Diablo 3. But a lot of talent and inspiration went into the game world and systems.

My biggest critisism of FF14 is that I don't think that a MMO is a good medium for a single player story, the two parts of the game don't compliment each other very smoothly.

FF14 is also more balanced overall than WoW. Usually differences are in the single digits, whereas WoW can swing wildly

Also I think it’s laughable when people say “anime shit” and FF is borrowing ideas from classical and western philosophers, while WoW is like “what if we made Thanos??”

Cybsled said:

Also I think it’s laughable when people say “anime shit” and FF is borrowing ideas from classical and western philosophers, while WoW is like “what if we made Thanos??”

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I really want someone to explain what "anime shit" means to them, seems like a lazy dismissal of no substance.

Big Phoenix said:

Im gonna go out on a limb here and say that doesnt specifically mean the lore/writing.

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Is it the sexy cat and bunny girls?

Because WoW has sexy bull, wolf, fox boys to yiff with.

Big Phoenix said:

I dont recall anyone but degenerates celebrating the introduction of the furries.

IMO WoW jumped the shark with Pandas thematically. Even worse when you consider the whole idea of MoP was to suck off the CCP to get on their good side.

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It's a shame because Pandaria was really well executed, it does seem like a lot of people feel like it didn't feel like Warcraft though. I think they purposefully reused zero models which didn't help, maybe it would have been better with Zandalari Trolls from the start and maybe Naga instead of the fish people we never saw again?

Shadowlands is like a super charged Pandaria while also being very poorly executed, it's hilarious how they didn't learn that lesson!

Big Phoenix said:

I dont recall anyone but degenerates celebrating the introduction of the furries.

IMO WoW jumped the shark with Pandas thematically. Even worse when you consider the whole idea of MoP was to suck off the CCP to get on their good side.

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Pandas still makes me shake my head. They could have done anything, but they had to rip off and then meme a culture. They should have shot the people responsible for it.

Mist said:

No amount of "nerd cred" is worth getting paid literally 1/5th to 1/10th the salary you can get elsewhere.

The market for technical talent of any kind has been hot for 8+ and getting hotter year over year.

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This is pretty accurate. Although I noticed before I left my last job a few years ago that the fresh graduates were turning into soft as fuck faggots. I told a guy wearing a Cleveland Indians shirt that chief Wahoo is a racist and I had a visit to HR a day later because I "intimidated him". That worthless prick literally cried on the job when he was told to do better by management. There was another chump who ate Lunchables who reported me over having Trump show up on avionics glass as a joke.

God only knows what level of faggotry most mid to late 20s are tainting work environments with now.

Rude said:

I told a guy wearing a Cleveland Indians shirt that chief Wahoo is a racist

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Chris said:

I really want someone to explain what "anime shit" means to them, seems like a lazy dismissal of no substance.

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Little pikachu looking characters with high voices as prominent characters in the story/game.