Boston Marathon Explosion - Today's Topics: Public Schools

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Chicago Public Schools are totally FUBAR. It'll be interesting to see what happens when the new school year starts after they've closed the 80 or so that are scheduled.
 
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hodj_sl said:
Even in the best neighborhoods, kids with public school education are having to take quite a bit of remedial work just to get up to University/Community College standards before they can proceed further. Basic english and early math classes are required by large amounts of people entering these systems directly from high school. The entire system has problems when that's the case.
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What percent of kids with a public school education in a good neighborhood are you suggesting here? I know you don't mean 100% but that's how you worded it.
 
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Chicago Public Schools in white middle class neighborhoods are alright. They're not educational utopias, but they're not pits of despair either.

Pretty much all major problems stem from schools in predominantly black neighborhoods, they make the whole system look beyond awful.
 
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The Ancient_sl said:
What percent of kids with a public school education in a good neighborhood are you suggesting here? I know you don't mean 100% but that's how you worded it.
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No not anywhere remotely near 100%, and I wasn't intending my words to read like I was implying I meant anywhere near that amount, but I'd say its easily in the teens or so in a lot of areas. If you think about the fact that so many people, regardless, have to undergo remedial work just to enter college, though, there's clearly a problem. These are skills like simply formatting and writing a basic paper where you report on something you've read about, and doing math like fractions and simple early algebraic functions like factoring. This shit should be mastered by 95%+ of the population before they get a high school diploma. Only basically people with extreme learning disabilities should not have these skills upon graduating with a high school diploma.
 
Drinsic

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I should've gone to one of these shit schools so I could graduate as valedictorian with a 3.5.
 
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hodj_sl said:
Which came first, these kids, and these broken homes, or the broken system?

Its a debatable point but I also grasp your larger point.

The problem is how to fix so many broken homes, in a system that is a shell of its former self?

That's the crux of the problem. More money alone isn't the solution, we know that for a fact. Structural reform needs to occur, but the system is too bogged down in its own bureaucracy and inertia for that to happen organically.
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It's a hard fucking problem. I don't know how to fix it, but I think it has to come from families and not from the schools. The teachers just get them too late and they don't have enough time with them. Sadly it's really damn hard to be a good parent if you never had one yourself. Welfare in some ways makes it worse, because it allows people to maintain the status quo, but then on the other hand I'm not up for letting kids starve because their parents are shitheels. I don't know, it defies easy answers. If you can figure this one out I'll nominate you for a Nobel prize.
 
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People should listen to that This American Life episode. I had heard about inner city schools before but that really brings it home. It's hard to believe that kind of shit goes down right next door to what we think of as a normal American lifestyle. It's hard to imagine that anyone grows up in that kind of situation and becomes a functional human being.
 
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BrutulTM_sl said:
People should listen to that This American Life episode. I had heard about inner city schools before but that really brings it home. It's hard to believe that kind of shit goes down right next door to what we think of as a normal American lifestyle. It's hard to imagine that anyone grows up in that kind of situationand becomes a functional human being.
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To be fair, almost no one grows up in that environment to become functional human beings. Or atleast very small percentages. Social mobility in the US is really bad.
 
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Heres a good article contrasting the US and Canadian system. I went to a public high school with lots of very rich kids simply because private schools aren't that much better than our public education system. Even though we have one of the best systems in the world, we still have tons of bitching in terms of education quality here, and in all honesty there is still lots that can be improved upon.

http://blogs.edweek.org/edweek/futur...education.html
 
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Marky Mark mentioned doing a reunion with the Funky Bunch for Boston. That town just can't catch a break.
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We should be training kids to perform abortions on each other.

Perfect solution.
 
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Araysar_sl said:
My eyes rolled back up into my skull by the second paragraph. The Christian South still segregates schools in 2013, erects monuments to Nathaniel Bedford Forrest and flies the confederate flag over government buildings.
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Now you can talk shit about dixie all day long but you need to shut your loud yankee mouth about NBF. That man had 30 horses shot out from under him and personally killed 31 men in hand to hand combat. He went from a Private to a General and generally was the the most respected man of the confederacy. He even attempted to disband the KKK after they began engaging in violence. I mean sure he was a racist warcriminal traitor, but he deserves a monument or two to his sheer masculinity.
 
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BrutulTM_sl said:
Sadly it's really damn hard to be a good parent if you never had one yourself. Welfare in some ways makes it worse, because it allows people to maintain the status quo, but then on the other hand I'm not up for letting kids starve because their parents are shitheels. I don't know, it defies easy answers. If you can figure this one out I'll nominate you for a Nobel prize.
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The problem is these people (I'm referring to people who are unfit for properly raising a child) do not have a moral compass that tells them that if they are going to have a child it is their responsibility to properly raise it to have personal responsibility. Does that make sense? I think we're saying the same thing in a way. I've been saying for years now that a good chunk of the problems in America at the root are from the decline in the quality of parenting in this country.

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Drinsic

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That picture of some fat Kang teaching her kid how to twerk it and take the dick would be appropriate now.
 
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Scratch_sl said:
Now you can talk shit about dixie all day long but you need to shut your loud yankee mouth about NBF. That man had 30 horses shot out from under him and personally killed 31 men in hand to hand combat. He went from a Private to a General and generally was the the most respected man of the confederacy. He even attempted to disband the KKK after they began engaging in violence. I mean sure he was a racist warcriminal traitor, but he deserves a monument or two to his sheer masculinity.
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Yeah, that's akin to being the best Nazi in the Third Reich.
 
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