Boston Marathon Explosion - Today's Topics: Public Schools
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hodj
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Because your delusional if you think 7 billion people on planet Earth are all going to work every day because they're coerced into doing so.
No, I didn't. Thanks for playing
No.
Because modern society is a cultural adaptation upon previous societies, which are cultural adaptations on previous societies. History is the constraining factor here, not evil rich colonialists enslaving everyone.
Because that would imply that history is geared specifically to exploit human beings. And its not. The universe is not structured by some evil god to punish humans, effectively, your argument is born of Christian dogma, though the roots have become convoluted due to transmission through Marx's predicate that "The history of history is class struggle". Its not by the way. The history of history is genetic and cultural adaptation to environmental conditions.
Nope. Not even a little bit.
hodj
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I'm pretty sure he, and I, have made that clear throughout this thread. Everyone is a slave to you if they work for someone else. You can't get much less nuanced than that.
hodj
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There's nothing about leadership, organizational and other roles that obligates that there be a class of people who earn money by charging others rent, interest, or profit. One thing has absolutely nothing to do with the other.
Because it's taken from the people who really produce it. Those people "agree" to those terms because one alternative that does not exist for them is to simply use the capital for themselves. That's not an alternative because there exists a violent entity (in this case called the state, but not always and certainly not necessarily) that will stop them (or at this point, propagandize them so thoroughly that it wouldn't even occur to them). Profit is the manifestation of the implicit threat of the government to inflict capital relations, no matter how unjustifiable.
I explicitly talked about the moral implications of the parameters that are involved with societies that have fundamentally slave-like characteristics.
It's really not. Frankly this claim reveals adeepignorance about the history surrounding that event. The argument I made is one that was made by communists living in Russia at the time of the revolution. It has nothing to do with how shit worked out. The Russian revolution was fundamentally anti-socialist.
hodj
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And yet there they are. In every society except the most primitive ones, which also organize based on authority lines, but they're most familial and gender based, which isn't any better.
No its not. Surplus labor value theory has already been disproven. Therefore, your conclusion is without a valid premise.
And yet the Chinese people have more savings than US citizens do. Derp. So who exactly is stopping them from using their capital to make their own businesses again? Oh wait that doesn't exist either.
You keep making these assertions that simply aren't supported by the facts.
There is no violent entity preventing Chinese citizens from getting jobs, saving up money, starting a business of their own. There's so many Chinese people starting businesses, they have fake Apple stores in malls. Please stop being so mouth breathingly retarded and blind ignorant to reality. It doesn't do you justice.
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And who are these mythical people, Chinese or otherwise, that won't follow the exact same path?
hodj
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No, it really is. What you're saying now is just the line for line regurgitated, party approved talking point to try and distance yourselves from the failures of your own ideas.
And that's the thing. Marx does have some very credible ideas. So did Darwin. Yet we don't cite Darwin when he says things like blacks can't possibly be the same race as white for a reason. The same can be said for Marx's rants about surplus labor value theory.
You have to learn to sieve the shit from the good in 18th century scientists. They were working under constrained conditions with far less knowledge than we have today. Many of their ideas simply didn't pan out. Holding on to them is like holding on to the idea the Earth is the center of the Universe. Denialism and a waste of time.
Right. That's because of the way that having money gives people power (and the way that having power gives people money). That's not a justification for anything and it really has nothing to do with division of labor. Division of labor is a consequence, not a cause.
It really is.
You're confusing averages with distributions. The average Chinese citizen, like the average American citizen, isn't starting businesses.
There is a violent entity preventing Chinese citizens from walking into their places of work, organizing themselves, and not paying their former employer a cut of what they produce.
hodj
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Funny, this started long before money was invented.
No, it really isn't.
The average person doesn't WANT to take on the HASSLE of running a business, or are not trained to do so, don't desire it, don't care. This isn't an argument. Those who want to, have the freedom to set that as a goal, and work towards it. Just like you have that ability right now, here in the US.
No, there really isn't. There's 1.3 billion Chinese people. Their government comprises 200 million of them at best. That's military, and police, and every bureaucratic branch in the nation.
It really really isn't.
I'm not talking about Marx or surplus-value theory. If I am, it's incidental. Saying "surplus-labor value theory is discredited" is not good enough. Not at all.
hodj
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Neither lasted long enough to say whether their society would be functional long term. They did it. But not for very long.
And that's the thing. North Korea, and the Soviet Union, and hell even Germany under Hitler, did very well. For a time.
Already Catalonia was experiencing declining unemployment, the situation in Ukraine I'm only vaguely familiar with but I know it lasted 3 or so years before I guess Stalin or someone put a stop to it.
Catalonia got screwed by the Communists and invaded by Franco and ass raped. Didn't work out. It would have been interesting to see either society survive that era and see where they were by the 1980s.
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hodj
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The only justification used for the idea that working for a wage is slavery is the premise that your surplus labor value is being co opted by your evil employer, who is profiting at your poor victimized expense.
Replace money with wealth then, dickhead.
It doesn't just appear from nowhere.
Yeah most people have the financial requirements to start a business but just don't feel like it.
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Jesus dude.
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You're ridiculous. So your claim is that their system isn't inflicted because the Chinese peopleoutnumberthe government.
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Amazing.