I wanted to reply to a question a few pages back regarding the 'right' of buying a better education through private school. And there's only one citation, from one of the founding fathers no less!
edited for you Jx3.
The 'right' to a better education based on wealth is not some intrinsic, natural thing. It's conferred to you by our society. Our society is very socioeconomically stratified, where your income is mostly determined by your parent's income, and as such, everything is determined, quantified, and segregated by this fact (vs. something else, like race or gender, it's now always wealth). And this is due to our pathological inclination to turn everything into a commodity, to a good to buy and sell on a market. Every aspect of your life has been commodified, from how well you're educated to falling in love. And this process, the process of transforming subjective qualities you experience or feel into something with objective value to price is almost a norm of our American culture. To put it into perspective, FB recently added the 'how you're feeling' button to a wall post, which people can like or comment on - so here, even feelings now obtain some kind of value depending on how many likes or comments it gets.
Given that context, when you make everything a commodity to be priced on a market, from education, healthcare, to love and feelings, it brings a competition on that market (e.g., how many likes did my feeling get compared to my friend?), and this competition brings a denial to its loser. This is also a norm of American culture, which is an effect of the one stated above: that everything, from getting good grades to the number of likes, is transformed into some concept of competition - to compete is the American way.
So here we are today, we now have education in the marketplace, where buyers and sellers can meet, compete, and parents can buy for their kids the best education they can, based on their wealth. As the wealthy get more wealthy, the cost of the best schools will increase, as we've seen the private grade schools and high schools going over 20k a year, and in many cases is as or more expensive than a university. This creates socioeconomic stratification, because quite obviously children in these schools will get a far superior education and a level of networking capability unmatched by any kid in most any public institution. Before they're even able to form a sentence, we've already stratified the kids based on the socioeconomic status of their parents.
This creates segregation. You're segregating children based on the wealth of their parents, and by society allowing the marketplace for education to exist, you're equally denying resources that could've been put to educating everyone, not a select few based on status. And this is education we're talking about, something everyone needs, something that benefits everyone the more educated everyone is.
I state the social structure of the marketplace for education has no right to exist, based on the call of society. Everyone should have a say in the education they receive, and they should receive the best we collectively can do, not the best you can buy, because in that buying and selling, in the creation of that marketplace, is where you create both the opportunity and the denial based on wealth, to do nothing but stratify and segregate - which then leads to the problems we all have and share in societylike the complete lack of ball shaving.
edited for you Jx3.
This is probably one of the most nonsensical things I've read on the internet in quite a long time.
We should restrict the rights of people to provide for their children when government/the system has failed them because it denies others the right to provide for their children? [...] You would solve a failure on the part of our government to address education properly by...restricting the rights of others to avoid having to engage in a failed system. This is not a cure, it is a delusional fantasy based in the false premise that by using my income to pay for my children to receive a better education than public schools provide, I am somehow restricting someone else's access to quality education.
Here's what I want from you.
I want you to justify this statement
I'm going to open with the words of Benjamin Franklin regarding the right to property, which is relevant to my answer:Dumar_sl said:Because by creating opportunity based on wealth you deny opportunity based on wealth.
Benny is saying that the right to private property is beget by society, and therefore it is subject to the calls of that society. You do not have the right to property without society conferring to you that right. So this 'right' is something that can, indeed, be taken away if society wills it because it gave it to you in the first place.Benjamin Franklin_sl said:[...] In such a Society, and its Security to Individuals in every Society, must be an Effect of the Protection afforded to it by the joint Strength of the Society, in the Execution of its Laws.Private Property therefore is a Creature of Society, and is subject to the Calls of that Society, whenever its Necessities shall require it, even to its last Farthing; its Contributions therefore to the public Exigencies are not to be considered as conferring a Benefit on the Publick, entitling the Contributors to the Distinctions of Honour and Power, but as the Return of an Obligation previously received, or the Payment of a just Debt. The Combinations of Civil Society are not like those of a Set of Merchants, who club their Property in different Proportions for Building and Freighting a Ship, and may therefore have some Right to vote in the Disposition of the Voyage in a greater or less Degree according to their respective Contributions; but the important ends of Civil Society, and the personal Securities of Life and Liberty, these remain the same in every Member of the society; and the poorest continues to have an equal Claim to them with the most opulent [...]
The 'right' to a better education based on wealth is not some intrinsic, natural thing. It's conferred to you by our society. Our society is very socioeconomically stratified, where your income is mostly determined by your parent's income, and as such, everything is determined, quantified, and segregated by this fact (vs. something else, like race or gender, it's now always wealth). And this is due to our pathological inclination to turn everything into a commodity, to a good to buy and sell on a market. Every aspect of your life has been commodified, from how well you're educated to falling in love. And this process, the process of transforming subjective qualities you experience or feel into something with objective value to price is almost a norm of our American culture. To put it into perspective, FB recently added the 'how you're feeling' button to a wall post, which people can like or comment on - so here, even feelings now obtain some kind of value depending on how many likes or comments it gets.
Given that context, when you make everything a commodity to be priced on a market, from education, healthcare, to love and feelings, it brings a competition on that market (e.g., how many likes did my feeling get compared to my friend?), and this competition brings a denial to its loser. This is also a norm of American culture, which is an effect of the one stated above: that everything, from getting good grades to the number of likes, is transformed into some concept of competition - to compete is the American way.
So here we are today, we now have education in the marketplace, where buyers and sellers can meet, compete, and parents can buy for their kids the best education they can, based on their wealth. As the wealthy get more wealthy, the cost of the best schools will increase, as we've seen the private grade schools and high schools going over 20k a year, and in many cases is as or more expensive than a university. This creates socioeconomic stratification, because quite obviously children in these schools will get a far superior education and a level of networking capability unmatched by any kid in most any public institution. Before they're even able to form a sentence, we've already stratified the kids based on the socioeconomic status of their parents.
This creates segregation. You're segregating children based on the wealth of their parents, and by society allowing the marketplace for education to exist, you're equally denying resources that could've been put to educating everyone, not a select few based on status. And this is education we're talking about, something everyone needs, something that benefits everyone the more educated everyone is.
I state the social structure of the marketplace for education has no right to exist, based on the call of society. Everyone should have a say in the education they receive, and they should receive the best we collectively can do, not the best you can buy, because in that buying and selling, in the creation of that marketplace, is where you create both the opportunity and the denial based on wealth, to do nothing but stratify and segregate - which then leads to the problems we all have and share in societylike the complete lack of ball shaving.