Boston Marathon Explosion - Today's Topics: Public Schools

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Dumar_sl

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I wanted to reply to a question a few pages back regarding the 'right' of buying a better education through private school. And there's only one citation, from one of the founding fathers no less!

edited for you Jx3.

This is probably one of the most nonsensical things I've read on the internet in quite a long time.

We should restrict the rights of people to provide for their children when government/the system has failed them because it denies others the right to provide for their children? [...] You would solve a failure on the part of our government to address education properly by...restricting the rights of others to avoid having to engage in a failed system. This is not a cure, it is a delusional fantasy based in the false premise that by using my income to pay for my children to receive a better education than public schools provide, I am somehow restricting someone else's access to quality education.

Here's what I want from you.

I want you to justify this statement
Dumar_sl said:
Because by creating opportunity based on wealth you deny opportunity based on wealth.
I'm going to open with the words of Benjamin Franklin regarding the right to property, which is relevant to my answer:

Benjamin Franklin_sl said:
[...] In such a Society, and its Security to Individuals in every Society, must be an Effect of the Protection afforded to it by the joint Strength of the Society, in the Execution of its Laws.Private Property therefore is a Creature of Society, and is subject to the Calls of that Society, whenever its Necessities shall require it, even to its last Farthing; its Contributions therefore to the public Exigencies are not to be considered as conferring a Benefit on the Publick, entitling the Contributors to the Distinctions of Honour and Power, but as the Return of an Obligation previously received, or the Payment of a just Debt. The Combinations of Civil Society are not like those of a Set of Merchants, who club their Property in different Proportions for Building and Freighting a Ship, and may therefore have some Right to vote in the Disposition of the Voyage in a greater or less Degree according to their respective Contributions; but the important ends of Civil Society, and the personal Securities of Life and Liberty, these remain the same in every Member of the society; and the poorest continues to have an equal Claim to them with the most opulent [...]
Benny is saying that the right to private property is beget by society, and therefore it is subject to the calls of that society. You do not have the right to property without society conferring to you that right. So this 'right' is something that can, indeed, be taken away if society wills it because it gave it to you in the first place.

The 'right' to a better education based on wealth is not some intrinsic, natural thing. It's conferred to you by our society. Our society is very socioeconomically stratified, where your income is mostly determined by your parent's income, and as such, everything is determined, quantified, and segregated by this fact (vs. something else, like race or gender, it's now always wealth). And this is due to our pathological inclination to turn everything into a commodity, to a good to buy and sell on a market. Every aspect of your life has been commodified, from how well you're educated to falling in love. And this process, the process of transforming subjective qualities you experience or feel into something with objective value to price is almost a norm of our American culture. To put it into perspective, FB recently added the 'how you're feeling' button to a wall post, which people can like or comment on - so here, even feelings now obtain some kind of value depending on how many likes or comments it gets.

Given that context, when you make everything a commodity to be priced on a market, from education, healthcare, to love and feelings, it brings a competition on that market (e.g., how many likes did my feeling get compared to my friend?), and this competition brings a denial to its loser. This is also a norm of American culture, which is an effect of the one stated above: that everything, from getting good grades to the number of likes, is transformed into some concept of competition - to compete is the American way.

So here we are today, we now have education in the marketplace, where buyers and sellers can meet, compete, and parents can buy for their kids the best education they can, based on their wealth. As the wealthy get more wealthy, the cost of the best schools will increase, as we've seen the private grade schools and high schools going over 20k a year, and in many cases is as or more expensive than a university. This creates socioeconomic stratification, because quite obviously children in these schools will get a far superior education and a level of networking capability unmatched by any kid in most any public institution. Before they're even able to form a sentence, we've already stratified the kids based on the socioeconomic status of their parents.

This creates segregation. You're segregating children based on the wealth of their parents, and by society allowing the marketplace for education to exist, you're equally denying resources that could've been put to educating everyone, not a select few based on status. And this is education we're talking about, something everyone needs, something that benefits everyone the more educated everyone is.

I state the social structure of the marketplace for education has no right to exist, based on the call of society. Everyone should have a say in the education they receive, and they should receive the best we collectively can do, not the best you can buy, because in that buying and selling, in the creation of that marketplace, is where you create both the opportunity and the denial based on wealth, to do nothing but stratify and segregate - which then leads to the problems we all have and share in societylike the complete lack of ball shaving.
 

Dabamf_sl

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But also, it's a little depressing when people don't want to read anymore. When you get into these topics, which in these discussions you almost invariably do because it's the bottom of the rabbit-hole, so to speak, you have to use a lot of words to describe accurately.

I mean you can't tweet a discussion like this. And rightfully fucking so.

ps: I didn't know if you quote a spoiler tag that has quote tags, it removes them. odd
I, and probably many people here, know that if we want an "interesting discussion," we'll read a book by someone smarter than ourselves, not a post on rerolled by some random internet tard too dumb to realize the 4 hours they spent typing in the last few days had 0 effect on changing the mind of another person, and they themselves certainly aren't listening to the other party because they know the odds of some random person on rerolled being a retard approaches infinity the longer their post is.

The politics thread is for whatever circle jerk of the day you wanna have. This thread is for updates on the Boston bombing, or cost/benefit analyses of shaving your balls.
 

Dumar_sl

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I had better keep my posts to pithy and sarcastic one-liners, then. That way you'll know I'm that smart! How's this?

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chaos

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I had better keep my posts to pithy and sarcastic one-liners, then. That way you'll know I'm that smart! How's this?

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Bullshit bro. I've learned from people here, I've participated in engaging discussions before. What you are doing is rehashing the exact same argument you have already had. Everyone has already seen it. I don't blame them for not being engaged.
 

Tuco

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So this is what it would look like if a lumie dipshit gets caught spewing his crap in public:

http://youtu.be/OvyAK6EXBG0

(he's the guy that yelled FALSE FLAG at the beginning of the very first news conference after the bombing)
I don't really support conspiracy theories much but yelling expletives at some conspiracy nut isn't a very respectable, convincing or positive move.
 

Charles_sl

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I watched the video. Since when are conspiracy theorists right wing? I didn't know that they had a political affiliation, usually they're just afflicted with some terrible disability like Down syndrome I think. If the guy was actually saying things like the FBI was behind the Boston bombings then good for the other guy for calling out his bullshit. I've never heard of Alex Smith of this great right wing conspiracy theory but anyone who would say or believe that the FBI was behind this is a total fucking retard.

I also have no problem with the expletives lol, if the guy was saying that the FBI was behind these bombings then he deserved every expletive that he received.
 

Kreugen

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Yeah it's not really a right or left thing, they sell their bullshit to idiots of any political affiliation. In the end it just comes down to selling advertising on their website/radio show.
 

TecKnoe

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I watched the video. Since when are conspiracy theorists right wing? I didn't know that they had a political affiliation, usually they're just afflicted with some terrible disability like Down syndrome I think. If the guy was actually saying things like the FBI was behind the Boston bombings then good for the other guy for calling out his bullshit. I've never heard of Alex Smith of this great right wing conspiracy theory but anyone who would say or believe that the FBI was behind this is a total fucking retard.

I also have no problem with the expletives lol, if the guy was saying that the FBI was behind these bombings then he deserved every expletive that he received.
if the intent was to kill people as a terrorist theres a million other ways, on the way home today i could have killed easily about 50 people all gathered inside a parking lot for a car show, with that kinda bomb.

not saying one way or the other but pretty shitty terrorist if you ask me.
 

Charles_sl

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if the intent was to kill people as a terrorist theres a million other ways, on the way home today i could have killed easily about 50 people all gathered inside a parking lot for a car show, with that kinda bomb.

not saying one way or the other but pretty shitty terrorist if you ask me.
What does that mean? Of course there are a million ways to kill people. There are only a few instances I can think of where people looked for and kept in mind the most efficient and easiest ways to kill people and one of those is Nazi gas chambers. Just because there are more efficient ways to kill people doesn't mean that it isn't terrorism and it sure as shit doesn't mean that the FBI is behind the bombings.

You are denying the facts of the case and so are those conspiracy retards. The fact is that those bombs were in that Al-Qaeda magazine. That's the glaringly obvious reason that they used them. Such bombs are common in terrorism. How about all of those IEDs that go off in Iraq and Afghanistan, is the FBI behind those too?

Not saying one way or the other but if someone believes in a conspiracy behind the Boston bombings they are retarded.
 

TecKnoe

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what facts am i really denying, the whole just because it was in a magazine does not stick for me, its like trying to bust people for subscribing to high times well assume they are potheads, could have easily googled on his smart phone "top 10 favorite terrorist bombs" i googled worse taking a shit on my work phone.

If i was the goverment/fbi whatever and i was trying to gain control my motives arent to kill the largest amount of people possible, my motives are to get my message across and injure/kill as few people as possible, sick as it sounds.

I dont believe it was the FBI because then the kids wouldent have went all rambo, but then if it was the FBI it obviously would go deep enough to cover up the shit dont you think and they were all part of a bigger cause. iraq and afghanistan have nothing to do with enforcing stricter laws inside the US, on US citizens.

the triple murder the older brother was mentioned in is interesting also.

im not a conspiracy theorist i dont think that deep, but saying its impossible is silly, according to media and doctors if you lost both legs like one man did he would have bled out before he could have been rushed to the right help, believe what you want.
 

Tuco

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if the intent was to kill people as a terrorist theres a million other ways, on the way home today i could have killed easily about 50 people all gathered inside a parking lot for a car show, with that kinda bomb.

not saying one way or the other but pretty shitty terrorist if you ask me.
Shitbags aren't very smart, generally.
 

Charles_sl

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im not a conspiracy theorist i dont think that deep, but saying its impossible is silly, according to media and doctors if you lost both legs like one man did he would have bled out before he could have been rushed to the right help, believe what you want.
What? Who ever said that? I've seen people missing both legs due to IEDs in Iraq. I've also seen the picture of the guy who was missing both legs, you can find it with a simple GIS btw but be aware that it's pretty gruesome, and his legs are very clearly loaded with tourniquets. A simple tourniquet is all it takes to stop someone from hemorrhaging enough blood to kill them, that's well known by many people, myself included, in fact I would go as far as saying that a majority of professional adults know and understand that a tourniquet can be used to stop someone from bleeding to death after the loss of a limb, or two limbs in this case.

I've watched and read a great deal of coverage about the Boston bombings and honestly you are the first person that I've heard say that the guy would have bled to death from losing both legs.

So how does it work exactly, the FBI staged him losing the legs before hand so he didn't die? Was it makeup?
 

TecKnoe

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So how does it work exactly, the FBI staged him losing the legs before hand so he didn't die? Was it makeup?
Yes basically, he was already a double amputee, if you look closely he doesn't look like hes in very much pain.

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Think if i just lost both my legs id look a little more shocked/worried, and be in a little bit of agony, dude didnt even shed a tear fucking iron man.

You have been in the military so i dont ever expect you to think our country could be this fucked up, and do this to our own people i dont wanna believe it so i dont, but it does not mean its not happening or does not have the possibility of happening, also i appreciate your time serving our country and giving me what freedoms i have im not trying to come off as a dick or conspiracy theorist but i always like to keep the doors open for discussion.

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chaos

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You keep the doors open for discussion... by buying the first half-baked conspiracy theorist bullshit claim that you hear? Are you seriously gauging his pain level from a picture? God dammit, bros.
 

TecKnoe

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i sure am, let me blow your fucking legs off and you man up like this motherfucker and not shed a tear lmao, looks like he stubbed his toe not lost two legs.

i already said i dont think think it was an inside job why else would the kids rambo unless it went that deep and they were drones.
 

hodj

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Dude he's probably going through shock, which makes his ability to feel pain less.

I can assure you, that femur bone sticking out is not a fake.