Breaking Bad

Tuco_sl said:

Ok Lenas. You happy with a blue heizenberg title?

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Just catching up on the thread this morning and I can't believe I was the closest, haha!

Can I get "Tread Lightly" as the title?

My prediction didn't get entered. Obviously a conspiracy from the nazi mods to keep me down. Fuk you 50/50 4ever!

Kidding, I wasn't as close as Len anyway .

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Lithose_sl said:

I don't understand this. WHY do people keep saying this? When has Walt ever misrepresented something someone else has done to suit his interpretive needs? It's never happened, not once in the show. Walt's analysis of people, and their plans, is usuallyextremelyaccurate. If anything, his interpretations are usually emotionally detached--even if it's deeply offensive and disturbing to him (His analysis of Gus' action with Hank.)

Walt's main vice was his pride distorting his goals, never his pride distorting what other people were, or what they've done. Again, he's always been extremely analytical about that. If Walt was seriously that offended, from everything we've seen? Most likely he had a good reason to be. (Again, his pride typically distorts his goals in relation to his needs, and his ego in terms of recognition, like when he told Hank Gale was not Heisenberg. But it's never been in his judgement about people, or situations.)

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Walt lies and distorts all the time to suit his needs. To Jesse about who poisoned Brock, what happened to Mike, to Skyler and his extended family constantly. Even up until minutes before the end of the show he was acting under the impression that Jesse was cooking for the Nazis as a partner. It took the entirety of the show for him to finally admit what he did was for himself, not his family. Why wouldnt we think he doesnt have a huge bias on how the Grey Matter issue went down?

Dashel_sl said:

It took the entirety of the show for him to finally admit what he did was for himself, not his family. Why wouldnt we think he doesnt have a huge bias on how the Grey Matter issue went down?

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Yeah, pretty much this.

What it comes down to is that we will never know for sure. However, we do have Gretchen's reaction in horror of him saying they ruined his life. Given what we know about Walt framing everything he does as the right thing, I will go with Gretchen.

Thanks buddy <3

Maybe you should boldface it. It kinda gets lost in the background as it is.

Tuco, go outside and have a nice Monday.

Dashel_sl said:

Walt lies and distorts all the time to suit his needs. To Jesse about who poisoned Brock, what happened to Mike, to Skyler and his extended family constantly. Even up until minutes before the end of the show he was acting under the impression that Jesse was cooking for the Nazis as a partner. It took the entirety of the show for him to finally admit what he did was for himself, not his family. Why wouldnt we think he doesnt have a huge bias on how the Grey Matter issue went down?

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So, no examples of him distorting the realities of a situation in order to convince himself of something? Which is what I said.

Walter is extremely analytical in his interpretation of events. He has never shown distortion in his analysis, nor allowed emotions to bias him in said analysis. He WILL distort, and change facets in order to manipulate the situation to achieve a goal he desires--but never to "convince himself" that X or Y happened. Ever. The many, many times we've watched Walt analyze a situation, in fact, his opinion and interpretation of events is often clinical, emotionless and extremely unbiased. His plan to deal with it is where his emotions, and pride can temper things. But never within the problem itself.

In short, Walters assessments have always been 100% spot on. The problem has always been how he deals with them. So saying "in this case" he has somehow allowed his opinion of what happened to be bias, so he can convince himself of something? It goes against everything we've seen about the character. It's like saying most likely Walter had a homosexual relationship with Eliot, and he left before Gretchen could find out---I mean, sure, it's possible, but nothing in the show gives us any clues, or character motivations, or themes to support that.

some people did get happy endings.
walt jr gets to have more breakfasts and when he hits 18 he inherits 9.8 mil. thats a lot more breakfasts

badger and skinny pete got 10k each for waving some laser pointer pens around and making prank Heisenberg phone calls to the ABQ PD.

the third in line at the ABQ DEA office is enjoying the fat new promotion he never expected to get.

Jesse gets an el camino and decides to race it to alaska.

next sunday is going to be brutal without walt

Lithose_sl said:

So, no examples of him distorting the realities of a situation though? Which is what I said.

Walter is extremely analytical in his interpretation of events. He has never shown distortion in his analysis, nor allowed emotions to bias him in said analysis. He WILL distort, and change facets in order to manipulate the situation to achieve a goal he desires--but never to "convince himself" that X or Y happened. Ever. The many, many times we've watched Walt analyze a situation, in fact, his opinion and interpretation of events is often clinical, emotionless and extremely unbiased. His plan to deal with it is where his emotions, and pride can temper things. But never within the problem itself.

In short, Walters assessments have always been 100% spot on. The problem has always been how he deals with them. So saying "in this case" he has somehow allowed his opinion of what happened to be bias, so he can convince himself of something? Is absurd, and goes against everything we've seen about the character.

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walt is not infallible, he continually underestimated jesse and it has cost him.

Lithose_sl said:

He WILL distort, and change facets in order to manipulate the situation to achieve a goal he desires--but never to "convince himself" that X or Y happened.

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I just completely disagree.

What is the biggest example of Walt deceiving himself in the show? Clearly it is him saying he was doing it for his family when he was doing it for himself. The Grey Matter situation is very similar. Both touch strongly on his pride.

Hell, another possible situation is Walt knows deep down that he fucked himself over in that situation by leaving, but wants the world (and by proxy, us) to think that he was wronged.