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Only in your head, dude. Only in your head.Maybe you haven't patched yet or something but those passive buffs have been getting nerfed to fuck for awhile now.
Only in your head, dude. Only in your head.Maybe you haven't patched yet or something but those passive buffs have been getting nerfed to fuck for awhile now.
And who's more likely to be in this class?The financier class of this little oligarchy we've got going loves watching the rabble scrap over who was spooned the bigger ladle of gruel.
It's not in his head. The progressive agenda has worked. It has started leveling shit out in the middle of the spectrum fairly well. Unfortunately, this whole time we've been ignoring the growth of an intractable oligarchy at the top end of the spectrum, almost entirely composed of white males. And instead of admitting how fucked up that is, we're arguing over whether said oligarchs do or don't confer advantages to people who look and talk like them.Only in your head, dude. Only in your head.
So, if the oligarchs were all black males or women, it'd be ok? Oh, wait, I know! They are oligarchsbecausethey're white, correct?It's not in his head. The progressive agenda has worked. It has started leveling shit out in the middle of the spectrum fairly well. Unfortunately, this whole time we've been ignoring the growth of an intractable oligarchy at the top end of the spectrum, almost entirely composed of white males. And instead of admitting how fucked up that is, we're arguing over whether said oligarchs do or don't confer advantages to people who look and talk like them.
I agree, whites on average have an unequal availability of opportunity
you said it really doesn't mean anything, it's just an "acknowledgement"--but the fact is MANY groups do use it as a trump card and a baiting measure.)
There you go. Lithose has officially backed me up on my major points. Fuck all y'all, bitches!I'm not going to sit here and cry about how bad men have it--I understand on average men have it better.
It doesn't fucking matter! Do you think that I share anything in common with Jamie Dimon other than the completely superficial? Or that my great grandparents shared anything other than species with John Pierpont Morgan?And who's more likely to be in this class?
Because the people who refuse to admit that privilege exists are also most likely to pretend the oligarchy doesn't exist, and that the world we live in is some kind of meritocracy.If even the oppressors are victims of oppression, then what are you even talking about? f you are talking about oligarchy then why couch it in this lame ass "privilege" argument wen the direct argument is much easier to make?
Yet you are still completely unable to articulate what that privilege actually encompassThere you go. Lithose has officially backed me up on my major points. Fuck all y'all, bitches!
If it was an oligarchy consisting of an equal distribution of males and females across different races, would that make the situation different? Do you think that if I show up at the Bilderberg meeting they welcome me with open arms and the secret white male handshake and give me a seat at the table? This whole argument seems to boil down to a distraction. "omg hegemony.... AND DOMINATED BY WHITE MALES!" As if that has anything to do with the consolidation of wealth and power in a chosen few. And then to extend that same assertion down to "Joe Bob got a better deal on his truck because of the imperialist white male agenda that has influenced our society for centuries!" is silly.It's not in his head. The progressive agenda has worked. It has started leveling shit out in the middle of the spectrum fairly well. Unfortunately, this whole time we've been ignoring the growth of an intractable oligarchy at the top end of the spectrum, almost entirely composed of white males. And instead of admitting how fucked up that is, we're arguing over whether said oligarchs do or don't confer advantages to people who look and talk like them.
No, white males have been pretending the oligarchy doesn't exist because it favors them. And they've been doing it for a long fucking time. They've been doing since before the stupid white poor fucks took up arms and died to defend the slave owners rights to own slaves.So, if the oligarchs were all black males or women, it'd be ok? Oh, wait, I know! They are oligarchsbecausethey're white, correct?
That's based on religious belief, not skin color. I will give you that Irish is an exception at certain time periods.Man, please stop using comedic anecdotes from Louis CK like he's some historian. Most people on this board, I bet, are either protestants or Athiests; which means if they went back a few centuries too many, they'd be burned alive or stoned to death.
That's based on wealth disparity, not skin color.Of course, if the noble ever needed money, he could toss them and starve them on a whim and if he ever got angry at another noble, they'd have to die in his army--but he'd be "privileged" to die in service!
Of course not. But whatever difficulties they would encounter would not be based on their skin color.Do you honestly believe just because they had white skin they'd do well?
I'm not trying to end debates or create divides. I'm trying to get people to admit what you just said. Everything else is tangents and responses to shenanigans.(So again, I'm not arguing that there is privilege, there is, it's just not something that should be used to end debates or create divides).
It's like you're speaking another language. The language...of reason.People with privilege should admit their privilege, but not be ashamed of it or try to apologize for it. If you've got some kind of privilege, just acknowledge that it's there and recognize that even if you feel worked hard to get where you are in life, its quite possible that some of your other peers had to overcome hurdles that you can't possibly imagine just to get even remotely on the same level as you.
It's about admitting to reality and having a little bit of empathy for things that are just unknowable to you.
UmDaddy showed up and neither Tanoomba nor Mist will confront Lithose.
He's admitting it exists, but points out that it's ridiculous to hold individuals to it. The first step is admitting it, and again, it's not about attacking your accomplishments, it's about recognizing that other people do have it harder. Whites are typically better off financially because they have generally been "on top" when it comes to America. Yes, the Irish were treated horribly when they got here (I'm Irish, my forefathers arrived during the Civil War, one survived), but that mistreatment really only lasted a generation or two when they were afforded the benefits of their skin color, and the opportunity to work hard. Blacks, in that same generation were still slaves, literal slaves without any rights what-so-ever and after the war, barely had the chance to integrate into society. It wasn't until another hundred years until they were even allowed to use the same facilities as "whites".the reason why it's incredibly annoying to me (Even though I agree, whites on average have an unequal availability of opportunity--but mostly through economic status)--is because of thehypocrisyof using a stereotype to combat racist/bigoted groups that use stereotypes.
I'm not going to sit here and cry about how bad men have it--I understand on average men have it better.
I'm not doing this. All I'm saying is that being a white male is statistically likely to confer a long series of very small but very real advantages that add up over the course of one's lifetime. And that because of this, many white men have pretended for a long time thatshit isn't fucked. Now that it's painfully obvious to everyone with a brain that saidshit IS fucked, they're suddenly going "privilege? what privilege? I'm in the same shit as you guys."Again, the very idea that you can group up every single person of fair skin into one gigantic homogenous group isfucking clownshoes.