Mist
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That's exactly what it is. Whether it's cavemen or puritans its still a less culturally evolved period.
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Quaid
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I don't find it 'difficult', but I certainly do notice when I have illogical, instinctual, emotional responses. I'm a very self aware individual.
I've actually never had a rage-out situation, despite plenty of provocation over the course of my life. I attribute this to my above mentioned self awareness, and my high degree of emotional self control. I haven't been in any sort of physical altercation (where I wasn't defending someone else) since I was a very young child.
Lejina
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Most posters on this board are between 35-40yo. If you never married and have been sexually active for 20 years, to sleep with 100 women isn't exactly outlandish.I cant see a fucking alpha which fucked more than 100 women
Quaid
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You mentioned puritans. What we are talking about here probably goes as far back as the original sexual division of animals. It is not cultural.
Edit: okay, maybe not THAT far back heh
Jim Russel
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This is the closest thing to a reasoned response. The problem, though, is that it relies on drawing an arbitrary line between intoxicated/not intoxicated. To further complicate things, some people can be shit-faced without seeming it. So it's not only about how intoxicated the alleged victim was but also how a reasonable person might perceive of whether the alleged victim was intoxicated.
A guy has sex with a girl he just met--she assents to the encounter and he deems her to be tipsy but not drunk. Turns out she was actually blacked-out drunk. What then?
Azrayne
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I'm with Araysar on this - why hold her to a standard you don't hold yourself to? That's some hypocritical shit.
And I'd say as a rule, women hate their man's ex('s) way, way more than men hate their woman's. In movies you always see a guy freak out because his GF and his ex are hanging out, exchanging secrets about him or plotting revenge on him for some stupid man thing he did, or whatever - total bullshit. In real life they'd be like a pair of hissing, spitting cats.
And I'd say as a rule, women hate their man's ex('s) way, way more than men hate their woman's. In movies you always see a guy freak out because his GF and his ex are hanging out, exchanging secrets about him or plotting revenge on him for some stupid man thing he did, or whatever - total bullshit. In real life they'd be like a pair of hissing, spitting cats.
Azrayne
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Not saying I agree with them specifically, but they're not talking about Bonobo chimps, they're talking about cavemen and hunter/gatherer stage humans.
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It might be hypocritical, but its true. Again, you want to fuck the porn star whore, but you would not want to necessarily marry one.
Quaid
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Do any other animal species have advanced cultures with laws and social norms? Do any of you have insight into what's going on in the mind of a bonobo when he is confronted with a sexual rival?
Sebudai
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That's half the point. Are our territorial tendencies with regards to mating and relationships due to our innate animalistic/primal nature, or are they due to our cultural and social norms (i.e. constructed)? You seemed to be arguing for the former at first, but now you're arguing the latter? Please clarify.
Azrayne
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Wait, are we talking about porn stars, whores, or just sluts here? Because there's a huge difference between a woman who's been filmed having sex for pay, a woman who's worked as a whore, and a woman who's just slept with a lot of dudes.
Although on that last category, there are a lot of women who sleep with a lot of dudes not because they enjoy the sex, but because they want to feel validated, or get the male attention they never got from daddy, or whatever psycho-babble BS. In that case, I think it's totally valid to not consider her wife material, because who wants to bring that baggage into a marriage (and soon to be divorce and child support)?
I think the main thing is to avoid hypocrisy. You don't spend your 20's fucking every 7+ you can convince to jump on your dick then expect a sweet virgin to pop up out of nowhere, ready to be yours and yours alone. That's bullshit. IMO similar sexual histories are probably gonna play a large part in stabilizing a marriage.
Tanoomba
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You're creating an arbitrary differentiation here. They ARE equal. I'm giving you a situation where someone who doesn't want sex is taken advantage of and fucked. That's the case whether it's man on woman, man on man, woman on man or woman on woman (or any other gender permutation, you get the point).
YOU GUYS are deciding that if it's man on woman, she must have wanted it, or that the man couldn't possibly have taken advantage of her susceptible state to get her to do something she didn't want to do. I don't know why you're deciding this, except that it might be a knee-jerk defensive reaction, that you feel threatened, that acknowledging even the most minor of points might cost you some ground and make you appear weak in front of your opponents. I dunno.
Yes. You're absolutely right, I should have used gender-neutral terms there. Good catch. Point still stands.
Cad
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The complete mental disconnect you're having is assuming (just like you have since the beginning) that if someone is drunk, that it is somehow a crime to have sex with them. If some gay dude gets me drunk and manages to have sex with me, grats I guess? Unless its forcible rape its not a crime. The fact that I managed to get really drunk and have gay sex doesn't mean it was rape.
In short, you're just wrong, you're making bad assumptions, childish fact scenarios, and showing a remarkable naivet? when it comes to sexual relations between adult men and women.
Tanoomba
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Sure, I agree it's fairly arbitrary. We're talking about variables that difficult to grade, let alone accurately measure. There are no post-coital consent detectors. But see, not having a machine that can show if something happened doesn't mean we can't use our own fucking senses to recognize that it is possible to get people to do things they don't want to do when they are very drunk, if you're a big enough asshole. If you do that and get a guy to sign a contract, he can take you to court and have that contract annulled on the grounds that "Nice try, asshole, that doesn't fucking count." But if you do that to fuck someone, all of a sudden it's "Take responsibility foryouractions! Buyer's remorse! Entitled bitches!"
I don't get why when someone takes advantage of you to get you sign a contract, you're the victim but when someone takes advantage of you to literally and figuratively fuck you, it's your responsibility.
Arbitrary
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Hey Cad, if I try and weasel out of a contract claiming that I was intoxicated at the time how sympathetic am I to find the judge to be? What's that Cad, you've explained this before? And the answer is "not very sympathetic at all?" You are saying that just being intoxicated isn't enough to void a contract?
Oh yes, now I remember. Sorry to have bothered you.
Oh yes, now I remember. Sorry to have bothered you.
Jim Russel
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To further the analogy, let's say an individual was under the influence of a drug/addiction. Say an addiction to MMOs. And that addiction prevented that individual from realizing that MMOs, fundamentally as a genre, provide a poor game experience. The individual agrees to participate in forum discussion about MMOs, perpetuating the self-degrading culture that allows game developers to essentially rape gamers. The individual is under the influence of MMO so he/she thinks it's consensual but it's actually not. What I'm saying is that we need to end the rape culture and rickshaw the MMO forum.
Lejina
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The point to note is everyone who could be bothered to answer Tanoomba were saying they needed some sort of evidence before crying they were raped.
Crusty semen in my ass? Maybe I agreed to this, maybe not, need more info before further action.
Him however, he doesn't care about evidence. Only feels. Somethingmighthave been wrong here? Better cry rape. He doesn't care how events actually unfolded, if you potentially feel bad after it happened that's all you need.
His contract analogy has been debunked a thousand times yet he still clings to it. He feels it should be working some way, so this trump the factual way it actually function.
Feels > facts
Crusty semen in my ass? Maybe I agreed to this, maybe not, need more info before further action.
Him however, he doesn't care about evidence. Only feels. Somethingmighthave been wrong here? Better cry rape. He doesn't care how events actually unfolded, if you potentially feel bad after it happened that's all you need.
His contract analogy has been debunked a thousand times yet he still clings to it. He feels it should be working some way, so this trump the factual way it actually function.
Feels > facts