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Quaid

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Fair enough. I will agree that he should have had his sources ready for any relevant points he wanted to bring up. Apparently Citibankdid a surveywhere 57% of divorced couples claimed money problems as the primary reason for their divorce. A researcher found that arguing about money is thetop predictor of divorce, and while articleslike thisdon't count as research, they do illustrate that we generally acknowledge money as a significant factor in determining people's ability to stay married.

Peter was not well prepared to defend that particular point, and that's on him. Doesn't change that he simply made a much stronger case than Molyneux, who was only interested in dishonest "debate" designed to put himself on a pedestal.
I challenge the idea that PJ makes a strong case anything, ever, besides 'stratification of society fucking sucks'. He's very adept at identifying inherent problems with our current societal structure, but extremely weak at proposing practical solutions.

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khalid

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Yeah, Dumar does that shit all the time. So does Tanoomba when talking about shit like solar roadways.
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iannis

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Dumars great insight does tend to be that to make the world more fair all it has to be is more fair. Duh.

You can't really say that he's wrong!
 

Cad

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Alright, let's talk legal then. Believe it or not, consent can't legally be given when drunk. Fuck a drunk person, and it's entirely up to them to decide whether or not they've been raped. Yes, it's up to them to decide whether or not you've committed a crime and they've got the law on their side. You can't defend yourself in court by saying "But she said yes when she was drunk! According tome, that's not rape!" and walk out of the courtroom. You may not like it but yes, the examples I gave are pretty equivalent in that theybothfall into "grey zones".
May 27th - Page 40

It is when you fuck them without consent.


Alcohol is a drug, by any definition of the term. Exploiting someone's drug-induced compromised state, a state where their ability to give consent is severely compromised,even if the drug was consumed willingly, is rape.
May 31st

There could be bruising that indicates a physical struggle if one occurred. There could be circumstantial evidence such as the girl having been on her period (a circumstance under which she never intends to have sex). She could have spoken with friends or even her boyfriend about going out to hang out with the girls and having zero intention of hooking up. Heck, she could have been raped a week before for all we know, sex with a stranger being the last thing she'd be looking for. Maybe she had taken precautions like asking her friends to stick with her all night to make sure nothing happened, only to have the rapist corner her as she came out of the bathroom and coerce her into leaving. Maybe the rapist was somebody who she had already repeatedly rejected and warned to stay away from her. Maybe the rapist has a history of rape accusations. Maybe she was a virgin with strong beliefs that sex should only occur after marriage.
This one is just lulzy

Is that your point? Because you've constantly been telling me that I'm wrong when I say that taking advantage of someone who's incapable of making rational decisions to fuck them counts as rape.
JULY - Appearance of "rational decisions" standard which isn't anywhere in any case law or statute and Tanoomba just totally made up

And here we are:

Fair point.

As far as legality is concerned, I think this argument is quite over. It's pretty clear that a judge wants to see a severe level of intoxication to consider rape charges to be valid. It makes sense really. Having a sexual encounter is a deeply intimate and primal act that infringes on your personal space and safety. A person would have to be pretty fucking drunk to not be able to recognize the consequences of sex.
Agree 100%.

And yet the argument just keeps going...
JULY 4th - Page 173

Thats right folks, 2 months and 133 pages of bullshit because Tanoomba doesn't understand this simple sentence:

Drunk doesn't mean rape. Too drunk to exercise reasonable judgment can mean consent is invalid, which can be rape.

Tanoomba demonstrates he doesn't understand legal standards, can't understand subtle distinctions and how they make a difference, and can't coherently make his point without ad hominems, strawmen, and practically every other logical fallacy and red herring that exists in discourse.

Don't forget kids, he "destroyed us" in this argument. So apparently, he's also delusional.
 

iannis

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The only time a lesbian will show you her tits is when she's mad at you or when she can do it coyly knowing that it will make you comically uncomfortable.

Its the ultimate trump card.

I have no choice but to respect that.
 

Phazael

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Yes, they're all the same girl.
Looks suspiciously like one of Fedor's "girls", and not the chunky ones. Her and Mist should date while you jack off in the corner in approval.

Seriously Tanoomba, I could spend hours digging up quotes where you moved goal posts around and/or cited pop psychology as if it were hard science, but there is no point. You have a Melrin like ability to deflect and ignore the blatantly obvious and factual. In short, you would just move the goal posts again, link some internet frootloop sounding serious about something, and then declare victory. Its a complete waste of time and not even entertaining anymore. Arguing with a fish would be more mentally stimulating. At least Dumar knows something about his subject matter, even if its only book knowledge.

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Tanoomba

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Seriously Tanoomba, I could spend hours digging up quotes where you moved goal posts around and/or cited pop psychology as if it were hard science, but there is no point. You have a Melrin like ability to deflect and ignore the blatantly obvious and factual.
Listen, everybody says this every single time an argument happens. Believe it or not, I am at least as convinced that people like Cad and Jive and Lendarios and Mkopec are guilty of ignorant the blatantly obvious and factual as you are that I am. YouthinkI'm ignoring the factual because you (and the rest of the retard brigade) have a severe bias that forces you to try to contradict anything I say just because I said it. Youthinkyou are defending the side of logic and reason because... why wouldn't you, right? Youthinkthat because a few of you can back each other up on ad hominem attacks, that puts you in the right.

In short, you would just move the goal posts again, link some internet frootloop sounding serious about something, and then declare victory. Its a complete waste of time and not even entertaining anymore. Arguing with a fish would be more mentally stimulating. At least Dumar knows something about his subject matter, even if its only book knowledge.
What goal post did I move? I said there is such thing as being too drunk to give legal consent (even ifactualconsent can be given), everybody ranted and raved about how fucking stupid I was, then it turned out that yes, there is such thing as being too drunk to give legal consent, even if actual consent can be given. To save face, a few people claimed that this point was never up for debate, but as I have shown repeatedly, this is complete bullshit. The one of you who was supposed to be an authority on the topic was objectively wrong on several of his statements, but still it comes down to me moving goal posts, right? You see what you want to see because you are uncomfortable, not with the idea of being wrong, but with the idea of me being right.

Funny you should mention Dumar. He's another one who can make perfectly rational and scientifically sound points, only to have everyone shit on him because they don't like his views. It's par for the course here. If I was offended I would stop posting but I'm not. Like Peter Joseph assertion of Stefan Molyneux's debate technique, I know that your attacks are disingenuous and exist solely to prop your own ego. I know, with unequaled certainty, that it honestly doesn't matter what I say about any topic. I will be attacked and mocked regardless, not by everyone (I've noticed that many posters here can be reasonable), but certainly by the vocal minority, and anybody who does agree with me will never say so for fear of being shunned by retard brigade.

So the dance continues. I make a point, everyone pretends it has no merit and uses strawmen and ad hominem to "prove" me wrong, then you fuckers get frustrated when I don't roll over and play dead like a good little bullying victim. I apologize if this cycle has lost its entertainment value for you. I will not judge you for spending time, as you suggested, arguing with a fish. I agree that such an argument would be more suited to your mental capabilities.
 

Fedor

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I can't find the original post in one of these threads with this picture but here it is in higher resolution:

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Ridas

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About what?
"Full disclosure: I was wrong when I started off saying that consent couldn't be given when drunk. That might be campus policy, but it's not law." Thats your fucking quote at page 85 after you argued fucking bullshit for days/weeks. After that you herped derped some more and now you are claiming the position everyone tried to explain to you for fucking pages and pages and say you were right all along.

Well played Tanoomba. My jimmies are officially rustled.

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Lendarios

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Repeatedly been addressed. That conversation has reached its inevitable conclusion ages ago, and it turns out youcan'tgive legal consent when you're too drunk, despite plenty of knee-jerk angry rejecting of that fact from several people here. Of course, after I proved that several times over, it became "Wellof courseyou can't give legal consent when you're too drunk! Who ever argued otherwise?" (Hint: Nearly everybody here). Do I need to link to the post-argumentrecap postthat chronicles all this again?
Unless you still feel there's something to argue there, I don't understand what you are hoping to prove by bringing up consent again.

*Sigh* You edited your post and I remember now that you were one of the stragglers still trying to contradict me, even after everyone else was on board. Yes, Lendarios, laws do apply to minors. As you noticed from several cases, the exact same law was used to charge both adults and minors. Of course, in the end it doesn't even matter who's being charged. What matters is what the law is, and we now all know what the law is since we've seen it explicitly statedin case law.

But by all means, keep trying to pretend you have a leg to stand on.
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Minors CANT give consent, regardless of intoxication levels. You cant apply intoxication law with minors. Minors cant give consent, hence any law that uses the word consent do not apply to them.
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Tanoomba

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"Full disclosure: I was wrong when I started off saying that consent couldn't be given when drunk. That might be campus policy, but it's not law." Thats your fucking quote at page 85 after you argued fucking bullshit for days/weeks. After that you herped derped some more and now you are claiming the position everyone tried to explain to you for fucking pages and pages and say you were right all along.
Well done, Ridas, you really got me. Here was the next line, which you cleverly omitted.

Now, as early as May 31 (that's over a month ago), I clarified my point.
Which means that no, I wasn't arguingthat shitfor days/weeks. IHADbeen arguing that you can't get legal consent from someone who is too drunk for weeks, andTHATcontinued to attract unwarranted contradiction and argument, andTHATended up being right. Did you read any further in that post? You really should, because the rest of it is where I show that the positionYOU THINK"everyone tried to explain to me" is constantly and repeatedly argued AGAINST by the person who claimed to be a legal professional (Ha ha!). By the way, I didn't claim to be right "all along". Clearly, since you quoted me admitted being wrong, this claim of yours is bullshit. I am claiming to have been right starting May 31, though, and I was. There was tons of argument anyway (and continues to be, as you see Lendarios unable to come to grips with the end of the argument and grasp desperately at any straws he can find to try to give me my comeuppance), I found tons of evidence to support my claim, andthen(and only then) everyone else decided to play the "Well, that's what I was sayingall along" game (even though they weren't). The post you quoted the first line of contains plenty of proof of this.


Thanks for playing, though.