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Tanoomba · Aug 28, 2014

Sebudai_sl said:
Tell us all about "gamer culture," cultural anthropologist Tanoomba. I play games, so tell me what my culture is and how I share it with my 5 year-old niece who also plays games.

I didn't use the term, you did. Why don't you tell me what you think it's supposed to mean? I already gave you the article.

Jive Turkey · Aug 28, 2014

Tanoomba_sl said:
slur du jour.

I've noticed on more than one occasion that you re-use phrases that other people have leveled at you only a page or two afterward.... I'm not sure what this says about you, but it's weird

Jive Turkey · Aug 28, 2014

Tanoomba_sl said:
As a white guy, I can both recognize and acknowledge that a lot of problems other people face will never touch me in any way. As a white guy, I also have the option to convince myself it's all bullshit. Since neither stance will affect my life in any tangible way, I can totally understand why I might choose the latter, even if it means exposing myself as an asshole. That is a freedom I have that not all groups are afforded. How is this racist?

As a white guy, you and I couldn't be more different. But hey, lets lump us all together anyway

Jive Turkey · Aug 28, 2014

Tanoomba_sl said:
I didn't use the term, you did. Why don't you tell me what you think it's supposed to mean? I already gave you the article.

Nope, it was you

Tanoomba_sl said:
Not exclusively about Sarkeesian, but about how gamer culture might feed into this type of behavior:

Sebudai · Aug 28, 2014

Tanoomba_sl said:
I didn't use the term, you did. Why don't you tell me what you think it's supposed to mean? I already gave you the article.

Tanoomba_sl said:
Not exclusively about Sarkeesian, but about howgamer culturemight feed into this type of behavior:

Says he didn't use the term. Was literally the first person in the thread to use the term not even two hours ago.

For the record, the term means nothing to me.

Jais · Aug 28, 2014

Wait for it...

Jive Turkey · Aug 28, 2014

All these "culture" terms are taking complex social interactions and trying to oversimplify them into manageable and comforting arguments. They should call it the Boogeyman Fallacy

Tanoomba · Aug 28, 2014

khalid_sl said:
From your article and what you quoted Tanoomba

Let me bounce this around. Central to the self-centred psychology of people like Anna Sarkesian, is to see themselves as the targets of a grand conspiracy of gamers, atheists and conservative journalists which seeks to destroy their ability to...something.

Hurm, seems to fit pretty well.

Here's the difference, Khal: Sarkeesian is playing within the boundaries of acceptable human behavior. She shares her views about the portrayal of females in video games. Some people love it, some people hate it. Does she have ulterior motives? Maybe, but even then: So fucking what?

My complaint is not that people disagree or argue with her points, or even that some accuse her of being a "scam artist". Whatever it is she's doing and for whatever reasons, she's not researching people's addresses and families so she can make them fear for their very lives. On the other hand, there are PLENTY of people just just that to her and many other females (and yes, males too, albeit on a smaller scale). Maybe you guys are OK accepting that as "just the way things are", but I say fuck that.

Again, before somebody comes in with links to three articles about how Sarkeesian made X amount of money but the receipts fished out of her dumpster showed she only spent Y on her videos, anybody is allowed to disagree with Sarkeesian: Her views or her methods. Anybody is allowed to vocalize their disagreement. Heck, anybody's even allowed tohateher. That's entirely acceptable and certainly expected (her being a female and having an opinion and all). But just because it's easy to find personal information about someone and threaten their life does not make that also acceptable behavior. These people are exercising terrorism in a very literal sense, and there is never any justification for that. there's nothing you could say about Anita Sarkeesian that could justify the use of terrorism as a way of expressing disapproval. Sorry.

Tanoomba · Aug 28, 2014

Sebudai_sl said:
Indiscriminately assert a bunch of shit about some undefined group of people. Then, whenever someone anywhere says or does something that happens to correlate with one of your random assertions, use it as evidence to support your overall thesis. It's like some mutant SJW version of cold reading.

SJW? Dude, you just described every racist poster that's ever posted in the Michael Brown thread.

Jive Turkey · Aug 28, 2014

Tanoomba_sl said:
Here's the difference, Khal: Sarkeesian is playing within the boundaries of acceptable human behavior. She shares her views about the portrayal of females in video games. Some people love it, some people hate it. Does she have ulterior motives? Maybe, but even then: So fucking what?

My complaint is not that people disagree or argue with her points, or even that some accuse her of being a "scam artist". Whatever it is she's doing and for whatever reasons, she's not researching people's addresses and families so she can make them fear for their very lives. On the other hand, there are PLENTY of people just just that to her and many other females (and yes, males too, albeit on a smaller scale). Maybe you guys are OK accepting that as "just the way things are", but I say fuck that.

Again, before somebody comes in with links to three articles about how Sarkeesian made X amount of money but the receipts fished out of her dumpster showed she only spent Y on her videos, anybody is allowed to disagree with Sarkeesian: Her views or her methods. Anybody is allowed to vocalize their disagreement. Heck, anybody's even allowed tohateher. That's entirely acceptable and certainly expected (her being a female and having an opinion and all). But just because it's easy to find personal information about someone and threaten their life does not make that also acceptable behavior. These people are exercising terrorism in a very literal sense, and there is never any justification for that. there's nothing you could say about Anita Sarkeesian that could justify the use of terrorism as a way of expressing disapproval. Sorry.

And none of this is unique to her being a female, so what is the point?

Cad · Aug 28, 2014

Tanoomba_sl said:
As a white guy, I can both recognize and acknowledge that a lot of problems other people face will never touch me in any way. As a white guy, I also have the option to convince myself it's all bullshit. Since neither stance will affect my life in any tangible way, I can totally understand why I might choose the latter, even if it means exposing myself as an asshole. That is a freedom I have that not all groups are afforded. How is this racist?

Anytime you negatively prejudge a racial group (like say, calling them all assholes if they don't agree with you) it's easily racism. You're not attacking an individual here you're making a blanket statement about a race - and a negative one. How do you not see that as like the dictionary definition of racism?

Sebudai · Aug 28, 2014

Talking out of your ass and making grand claims about a culture you invented out of thin air is not the solution to some people doing bad things to another person. What do I need to say to get you to understand this?

Jive Turkey · Aug 28, 2014

Tanoomba_sl said:
SJW? Dude, you just described every racist poster that's ever posted in the Michael Brown thread.

Which is kinda his point, no?

Tanoomba · Aug 28, 2014

Jive Turkey_sl said:
I've noticed on more than one occasion that you re-use phrases that other people have leveled at you only a page or two afterward.... I'm not sure what this says about you, but it's weird

That's an astute observation. It's my "subtle" way of showing how easily certain labels and argument techniques can be flipped around and used against the people using them. My personal favorite is how often ASJWs (anti social justice warriors) throw out the term "playing the victim" while simultaneously lamenting how difficult it is becoming to be a white guy.

Jive Turkey_sl said:
As a white guy, you and I couldn't be more different. But hey, lets lump us all together anyway

No matter how different we might be, we both have the same access to the options I just described.

Jais · Aug 28, 2014

Tanoomba_sl said:
Here's the difference, Khal: Sarkeesian is playing within the boundaries of acceptable human behavior. She shares her views about the portrayal of females in video games. Some people love it, some people hate it. Does she have ulterior motives? Maybe, but even then: So fucking what?

My complaint is not that people disagree or argue with her points, or even that some accuse her of being a "scam artist". Whatever it is she's doing and for whatever reasons, she's not researching people's addresses and families so she can make them fear for their very lives. On the other hand, there are PLENTY of people just just that to her and many other females (and yes, males too, albeit on a smaller scale). Maybe you guys are OK accepting that as "just the way things are", but I say fuck that.

Again, before somebody comes in with links to three articles about how Sarkeesian made X amount of money but the receipts fished out of her dumpster showed she only spent Y on her videos, anybody is allowed to disagree with Sarkeesian: Her views or her methods. Anybody is allowed to vocalize their disagreement. Heck, anybody's even allowed tohateher. That's entirely acceptable and certainly expected (her being a female and having an opinion and all). But just because it's easy to find personal information about someone and threaten their life does not make that also acceptable behavior. These people are exercising terrorism in a very literal sense, and there is never any justification for that. there's nothing you could say about Anita Sarkeesian that could justify the use of terrorism as a way of expressing disapproval. Sorry.

For those keeping track, harassment now equals terrorism.

Seriously, for every time you try to change definitions, you sound dumb.

Sebudai · Aug 28, 2014

Tanoomba_sl said:
SJW? Dude, you just described every racist poster that's ever posted in the Michael Brown thread.

*psssst* many SJWsareracists...

Tanoomba · Aug 28, 2014

Sebudai_sl said:
Says he didn't use the term. Was literally the first person in the thread to use the term not even two hours ago.

For the record, the term means nothing to me.

Ah, I see. See, the reason I didn't even remember using the term is because I didn't realize it would be read as"X culture"(shudder). I didn't mean it as a prerogative term. I just meant that the article described how common shared experiences among gamers could lead to destructive and unacceptable behavior.

Jive Turkey · Aug 28, 2014

Tanoomba_sl said:
That's an astute observation. It's my "subtle" way of showing how easily certain labels and argument techniques can be flipped around and used against the people using them. My personal favorite is how often ASJWs (anti social justice warriors) throw out the term "playing the victim" while simultaneously lamenting how difficult it is becoming to be a white guy.

Clever (but not really). And in this case, you just re-used a phrase, not an argument technique. I think you're just prone to influence

No matter how different we might be, we both have the same access to the options I just described.

And we both have very different privileges, handicaps, and external pressures.

Tanoomba · Aug 28, 2014

Jive Turkey_sl said:
And none of this is unique to her being a female, so what is the point?

This form of harassment targets femalesmuchmore than it does males. And the fact that much of this harassment involves reference to raping and genital mutilationmakesit sexist. You have a valid criticism of a woman? Don't bring her vagina into it and maybe you won't be called sexist.

khalid · Aug 28, 2014

Tanoomba_sl said:
But just because it's easy to find personal information about someone and threaten their life does not make that also acceptable behavior. These people are exercising terrorism in a very literal sense, and there is never any justification for that. there's nothing you could say about Anita Sarkeesian that could justify the use of terrorism as a way of expressing disapproval. Sorry.

I don't support her being terrorized. I was addressing the statement you linked and supported with "bingo", that I thought it was bullshit, which is why I flipped it around.

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