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So you think that making the smartest kids deal with dumbshits all day will be more beneficial than an actual rigorous education? Interesting theory....
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Mist
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This is pretty much the opposite of what happened to me. My parents told me they weren't saving a dime for me to go to college, and if I wanted to go I'd better get scholarships, so I did. I went to the cheapest school possible and lived at home, because my parents made it clear that if I moved out I wouldn't be welcomed back, so I didn't take risks and take out loans and go to better schools, which I probably should have. I was too scared to live independently because I had never actually been treated like a human being and I wasn't sure how to be a person. To this day, I'm 33 years old and still don't really know how to be a person, don't really think of myself as a person, have zero self esteem, and I realize the world is filled with horrible people who can smell that out and use that to hurt me or take advantage of me.
Looking back, I knew C++, VB, Java, Javascript and HTML before I ever left high school (a decent feat in 1999) and I should have left home and headed somewhere with better job opportunities the day I graduated and never even went to college. But it's hard to take risks when you have absolutely no self-esteem, and my parents knew that and that's why they treated me that way.
There's really no 'getting my life back' when I never had one in the first place. I'm literally the saddest, most pathetically meek person you could ever imagine meeting.
As for the settlement money, that'll all be eaten up by the divorce that must happen immediately after the stuff with the house is resolved. I'm here working on the case and working on the house so that it can be sold in the divorce and my mom can cut all financial ties with my stepfather.
Cad
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I've seen it. I didn't come away from it with any amazing knowledge I didn't have before, except that teachers unions and tenure can be difficult to work with. But that doesn't seem surprising at all, who the fuck came up with the idea to give anybody tenure at any job?
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But what happens if you do this is the overwhelmingly mexican and black schools in many districts (Dallas ISD for example) already don't meet the shitty standards, so you raise the standards, then what? Kids will just drop out or be held back until they are 18 and kicked out. I don't think that would actually change anything.
Well, I probably agree with that "mostly", although I don't think congress has much to do with education, the US actually spends more per student than Germany by a fair amount. I have no idea what the teachers union situation in Germany looks like.
Yes I have facebook, so I get the education reform mind control thing. The country is full of idiots. But on the flip side, I don't think common core math is going to change anything; the problem is cultural more than anything. There's a large portion of the country that simply does not give a fuck about education, or if they do, its religious indoctrination they want and not a modern education.
Mist
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No, the absolute smartest kids would be shuttled to districts large enough to actually make full gifted programs.
ALL of the other college bound kids, from the average to the fairly smart, would be given a much more rigorous education than our average kids are given now. I think this is preferable to the situation we have now where some lucky college bound kids are put in with the A tough while others are relegated to getting a fairly lousy education in with the B tough which represents a mix of college bound and non-college bound kids.
Then your vocational track would be 'dumbshits' either. In there would also be 'pretty smart' kids who demonstrate very strong vocational/mechanical ability. These kids would become your production engineers and civil engineers and other crunchy engineer types and they'd get experience in school from working with other mechanically minded people who are just not as smart as they are.
The remedial students aka 'dumbshits' in your terminology would still be in remedial programs designed to bring them up to the standard, rather than what we have now where there's just a ghetto substandard educational track for anyone that gets put into the C trough.
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There's no shuttling of people to other districts, and at least in Texas (don't know about other states but probably similar) the school districts are actually an independent governing agency, they transcend city borders and are entities to themselves. The process to merge or split or modify them in any way simply isn't going to happen on any large scale, it requires referendums.
Most of the districts in big cities are big enough to build a school for the top 2% anyway, if such a thing was what they wanted.
Mist
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Right, there isn't. See my point about every district being its own little fiefdom when it comes to education. That absolutely must change if we want anything that produces the results of the German system.
The reason tracking works in Germany is because a) they have less inequality than we do and b) their tracking systems are not lazily designed like our own. We keep our tracking systems shitty to enforce some kind of racist/classist agenda, and because educators are lazy.
Also remember that fully half of the population of this country does not live in a city, a problem that does not really exist in Europe or Japan. Exceptional students of all classes and colors are being underserved in rural schools that don't have the resources to make full fledged gifted programs.
Since we can't have a federal takeover of education, we need states to abolish their independent school districts and establish systems that create higher minimum and median standards state-wide.
Mist
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We don't know they will fail. There's nothing innately wrong with these kids. When they are placed in charter schools, they usually succeed. It's the schools.
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Citation needed
But in any case, a charter school would be a self-selected population of those that chose to apply to the school; they by definition already give a shit about education and took the time and effort to apply to the charter school.
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It doesn't have to be though. There's absolutely no reason why states couldn't make schools with the same standards as these charter schools. And conservatives aren't always 100% wrong on everything (just usually.)
Most charter schools are not tracked btw.
Mist
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Literally hundreds of case studies, and over a dozen documentaries on the topic.
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iannis
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You need to get crunked, mist. Like seriously mindbendingly crunked.
Go out to a field with a fifth of bourbon and a bag of weed in the afternoon and don't come back home until dawn. Granted, that might work better around here. Re-interpret to suit the tactical situation.
Go out to a field with a fifth of bourbon and a bag of weed in the afternoon and don't come back home until dawn. Granted, that might work better around here. Re-interpret to suit the tactical situation.
Mist
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Those are statistical overviews of charter school performance.
I'm talking about case studies of students. When students are taken out of poorly performing schools and placed in merely average charter schools, they almost always perform better. Your point was that there was something wrong with the students in those schools rather than the schools themselves. Your 'data' has absolutely nothing to do with the point you were trying to make.
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Mist, you owe your mother nothing. Get out or stop whining about it. Being a miserable jerk to everyone because of something you could easily change isn't fair to anyone, least of all yourself.
I mean, jesus, talking about killing yourself? You need help, like go to your school and tell them. If you were one of my students and told me that story, I would report it as a serious medical issue.
I mean, jesus, talking about killing yourself? You need help, like go to your school and tell them. If you were one of my students and told me that story, I would report it as a serious medical issue.
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Ok, you got data to back it up? I'm fine with it and I think it makes sense given that charter school populations are self selected. But I'd like to see the data.
Mist
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khalid
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You yourself have admitted to having a toxic personality and being unable to cope with people in a normal manner. This you said is from your situation at home, which I don't doubt. Regardless, anyone talking of killing themselves in a public setting should seek help. It isn't something to joke about or throw out randomly.