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Tanoomba

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Just. Wow.

Like Ipointed out yesterday, Poe's Law is SUPPOSED to be about how certain views are SO extreme that it becomes difficult to tell them apart from satire of those very views. This is what everyone is now barking at me, even though that was my initial (correct) interpretation of Poe's Law.

"Jimmy moved out because his parents wouldn't recognize him as owlkin."
Is it a joke? Is it for real? We don't know! It actually COULD be real, since we know that there are people who actually identify as animals and are vocal about how that affects their life. As ridiculous as it sounds, a reasonable person can't be certain of the nature of the statement without more information about the source or the context. THAT'S POE'S LAW.

"My husband identifies as gender neutral, and whenever ?Xe? (my husbands current pronoun) witnesses our child playing with toy trucks and trains, it triggers ?Xer? so hard that ?Xe? crumbles into a quivering pile of inconsolable PTSD jitters."
Is it a joke? YES. FUCKING OBVIOUSLY. If you need to question this, YOU ARE A MORON. Now, to be fair, it still may count as Poe's Law, since Poe's Law does't specifically exclude people who are simply too fucking stupid to see blatant satire for what it is.

If you want to put those two examples in the same category, feel free to do so. There is a clear distinction to me, though. The former could easily be confused as a legitimate representation of SJWism at work by any reasonable person, the latter can only be suspected of being "legit" by people with no critical thinking skills (a trait that'sobviouslynot uncommon among anti-SJWs, nor are they hesitant to share their ignorance in the form of angry comments under an obvious joke article). And no, Hodj, the humor wasn't "hidden" in the article (and you've reached a new low of stupidity for even suggesting something so asinine). It's as blatant as can be, as in-your-face and over-the-top as any humor can be without a literal pie in the face.

So we're back to what I said yesterday. I'll admit I was wrong (for the second time), that the article in question DOES count as Poe's Law at work, and that Poe's Law is not necessarily a reflection of how extreme some views are, but can also be indicative of how gullible and lacking in critical thinking skills some ideologues can be. This second case is pretty much exclusively how Poe's Law has been referenced by Rerolled in relation to SJWs.

TLDR: I was wrong. Poe's Law can certainly include cases where people are simply too stupid to see satire as satire.

Are you happy? Can we put this to bed now?
 

Tanoomba

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For fuck's sake, if the tables were turned and you saw hundreds of SJWs writing angry comments under an article that was obvious parody, you'd be laughing your asses off at how fucking stupid they were being. But when it's anti-SJWs exposing themselves as morons, it's not their fault! No, it's Poe's Law! It's because SJWs are soextreme, you see, that you can't blame their detractors for having zero critical thinking skills! No, it'stheirfault we're stupid! Jesus fucking Christ.
 

hodj

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No matter which way the tables turn, or the clock ticks, or the sands in the hour glass fall, Tanoomba is still a retard incapable of just admitting he doesn't know fuck all about what he's talking about.
 

Ridas

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I was wrong.
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Xeldar

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For fuck's sake, if the tables were turned and you saw hundreds of SJWs writing angry comments under an article that was obvious parody, you'd be laughing your asses off at how fucking stupid they were being. But when it's anti-SJWs exposing themselves as morons, it's not their fault! No, it's Poe's Law! It's because SJWs are soextreme, you see, that you can't blame their detractors for having zero critical thinking skills! No, it'stheirfault we're stupid! Jesus fucking Christ.
Curious, you seem to be in the sjw clique: can you explain to me how sjws justify rape/sexual abuse jokes being bad, but are okay with Nyberg's supposed satire of pedophilia/child abuse?
 

Tanoomba

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Curious, you seem to be in the sjw clique: can you explain to me how sjws justify rape/sexual abuse jokes being bad, but are okay with Nyberg's supposed satire of pedophilia/child abuse?
I'm not in the SJW clique. Sorry to disappoint.
 

iannis

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This whole derail centers around Tanoomba thinking he was being clever by insinuating he didn't realize we were so stupid that we couldn't tell satire from reality. You aspies letting him bait you into debating how ridiculously extreme these points of view are (and therefore Poe's is valid, hur hur!) aren't doing anybody any good. Christ.
So what you're saying is that Tanoomba IS Poe?

Quoth the raven INDEED, SAH.
 

Lithose

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So aCollegehas now blocked porn access on their campus networks. But check out the article; just pointing this out as to why people do not like "yes means yes" campaigns, because it won't stop there. What people have to understand is Rad fems really do believe women can not consent properly in modern society and that even if she says yes, it is problematic.

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But the problem with teaching "consent" within a context of liberalism is that, when it comes to porn and prostitution,"consent" is used against us. Imean, how would students who believe pornography equates to "freedom of expression" want consent to be taught? Would they learn that simply agreeing to exchange sex for money is good enough -- end of story? Or would they talk about larger contexts of male domination and financial need as things that limit or at least shape women's ability to "consent?"

What's clear is that "consent" is not enough.People consent to unethical things all the time. Technically, women have "consented" to abuse for eons. They marry abusers, they agree to participate in rape porn, they go on second dates with men who've sexually assaulted them. We know now that women's consent does not necessarily negate rape -- they can say "yes," but what actually goes down after that may very well constitute assault.

As Catharine MacKinnon wrote in her book, Toward a Feminist Theory of the State:"The unquestionable starting point has been that rape is defined as distinct from intercourse, while for women it is difficult to distinguish the two under conditions of male dominance." Our very understanding of what constitutes "sex" is rooted in notions of male domination and female subordination. Therefore, teaching "consent" to men is insufficient so long as we live in a rape culture and a porn culture.


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IE Yes doesn't always mean yes; because of rape culture, women might be moaning and saying yes but could very well be being raped. They won't know until they are educated by the church of Feminism; and it displeases the church that men sin against the Gender Studies Tome by watching pornography. The Prophet Anita has spoken about male entitlement leading to consensual rape.


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We can simply look to culture at large to see that lessons about male entitlement are widespread and ever-present in media.Anita Sarkeesian's recent videoaddresses the way in which gamers learn, quite literally, that female bodies, affection, and sexuality are things that are owed to them and that they will be rewarded with if they simply press the right buttons. When men sexually harass, catcall, grope, or rape women, we see this entitlement in action. Pornography very much exemplifies men's sense of entitlement to access female bodies at any given moment. So much so that many see pornography and masturbation as interchangeable. This is why men believe that attempts to limit porn use are, in fact, attempts to limit "sex."


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Seriously, I can't wait for sex robots. Oh wait, no, because apparently even if men wouldn't involvewomen at all, it would objectify them. (It really is creepy how much these people want to control male sexuality in my opinion--its every bit as terrible as the puritans on the right who do it to women.) Anyway, was going to post this in the Butthurt thread, but Anita made me shift it here, lol--if there is any debate about the Yes means Yes stuff, go on and post in the Butthurt thread, going to make a copy of this there. This is just essentially showing why people are openly critiquing Anita--for fucking DECADES in Academia we let "Feminist Scholars" go largely without critique, except the occasional eye roll and dismissal (Like MacKinnon above)...And since then they have built up what can only be called a fucking biblical lexicon of unsupported garbage that is still cited as proven and accepted academic thought, because its existed for so long without proper critique. This is why not challenging these statements doesn't work--yes it may just fade into the obscurity of Gender Studies for a decade or two, but if it isn't discredit, it is going to add to the current Bible of new puritan bullshit. They need to be seen as controversial and fringe, not as accepted because people are afraid of being beaten with the misogyny stick.
 

Kirun

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Porn, real dolls...

Man, if they thought rape was at "epidemic" levelsbefore, imagine a world without porn and plastic. Get ready, ladies..

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Mist

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It's very easy to argue that so much of what we consider consent is forced consent or manufactured consent. And I'm not just talking about sex, I'm talking right down to the 'consent of the governed.' Deconstructing the concept of consent is a valid intellectual exercise.

It's all masturbation anyway, pun intended. No one actually buys porn from porn sites anyway. Blocking them won't stop anyone from getting porn.
 

Big Phoenix

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It's very easy to argue that so much of what we consider consent is forced consent or manufactured consent. And I'm not just talking about sex, I'm talking right down to the 'consent of the governed.' Deconstructing the concept of consent is a valid intellectual exercise.

It's all masturbation anyway, pun intended. No one actually buys porn from porn sites anyway. Blocking them won't stop anyone from getting porn.
That is the dumbest shit I've ever heard. I'm forced to work if I want to live, I didn't consent to that arrangement! I'm being raped by all of society! Hell I didn't even consent to being created, I was raped by both my mother and father!

You see how fucking stupid that train of thought is? Its jade smith levels of retardation.
 

khorum

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Oh I love how that school volunteered to be the guinea pig in their own study. Let's see how BLOCKING porn would actually diminish "rape culture" in their campus. Whatever feelsdata they used to justify that decision is contrary to every actual study about porn and sexual aggression.
 

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The divided self is a fulcrum where tyrannical thoughts form. "People are too stupid to know for themselves so i'll do whats best for them even if they don't want it"
 

Mist

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That is the dumbest shit I've ever heard. I'm forced to work if I want to live, I didn't consent to that arrangement! I'm being raped by all of society! Hell I didn't even consent to being created, I was raped by both my mother and father!

You see how fucking stupid that train of thought is? Its jade smith levels of retardation.
Libertarians use the exact same logic saying they're forced to pay taxes that they don't consent to.