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khorum

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That's a momentous insight, Mist. It's almost as if there should be a discipline within psychology that specializes in evolutionary effects on behavior.

SJW's definitely wouldn't shit on such a field as "unethical" or "socially insensitive" would they?
 
fanaskin

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That's just fancy talk bullshit for the idea that everything is an object first and only in your mind do you attach a feeling to it and create a subject.

Some thinkers, such as Martha Nussbaum, have challenged the idea that objectification is a necessarily negative phenomenon, arguing for the possibility of positive objectification. While treating a person as an object (in one or more of the ways mentioned above) is often problematic, Nussbaum argues that objectification can in some contexts take benign or even positive forms, and can constitute a valuable and enjoyable part of our lives. In her forthcoming work, Nancy Bauer questions the very idea that it makes sense to specify the marks and features of the term 'objectification'. Such an attempt, she argues, will only distort the phenomenon in question
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Denaut

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Mist_sl said:
Firstly, you're conflating objectification with dehumanization. Objectification is an intermediate step towards dehumanization.

Secondly, you're still constantly conditioning your brain to think that way by doing those things, and then add in the fact that male brains are more likely to be structured to think that way in the first place, mix in some neuroplasticity and you've got a recipe for a lot of the behaviors we see.
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You seriously, as usual, don't know what you are talking about. Objectification and dehumanization are different things. You can dehumanize a human because they are a human, but you cannot dehumanize an animal because they aren't human. You can howeverobjectifyan animal, because they are not objects.

Human minds, all human minds (and probably many animal minds as well), innately separate objects/artifacts which rigidly obeyintuitive physicsfrom entities that violate intuitive physics such as people & animals. We attribute this violation to the presence of amental stateand goal seeking within the entity. This is why if you kick a rock and it moves across the room you explain the results differently than if you kicked a cat and it moved across the room.

We are born with these concepts, they are not "taught" to us. Ignoring the mental state of another entity in the calculus of your actions and behavior is objectifying them, it is pretending (or not caring) that they have a mental state. To the extent a person considers or ignores another's mental state can be shaped by nurture, but deep understanding of what is or is not an object isn't something that is taught.
 
Mist

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fanaskin_sl said:
That's just fancy talk bullshit for the idea that everything is an object first and only in your mind do you attach a feeling to it and create a subject.
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Again, I said I wasn't ascribing positive or negative values to the behaviors.

I'm just saying the kermit meme is wrong, women don't "objectify" other women, generally.
 
khorum

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Kermit didn't do shit. Mist just had to bump one of her threads before it fell off the first page so she did what she does best.
 
fanaskin

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Mist_sl said:
Again, I said I wasn't ascribing positive or negative values to the behaviors.

I'm just saying the kermit meme is wrong, women don't "objectify" other women, generally.
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I agree they're mostly subjectively judgmental which makes them worse because it's not a reality based way of thinking, it's magical thinking.
 
chthonic-anemos

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It's not objectification it's avoidance coping; women have terrible personalities. If women had good thoughts then men would have evolved to jack off to that too.
 
Soygen

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I just want to go on record that I would still motorboat and wreck disembodied boobs and assholes.
 
khorum

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How about anime boobs? Would that still be objectifying women? Or are they objects portraying fictional objects?
 
khorum

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Mist is butthurt that Kermit has upgraded to a skinnier, younger and more redheaded piglet after years of stringing Miss Piggy along.
 
Sebudai

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It's weird how the board's celibate lesbo knows more about men than all the men do. It's almost like she's talking completely out of her ass.
 
Jive Turkey

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Mist_sl said:
Men don't notice how much they objectify women because men objectifyeverything. The propensity for men to objectify things is just side effect of their neurobiology. It's not even up for debate, especially here of all places; this is a forum where there's 2 entire threads devoted to pictures of women's butts and buttholes, largely sans faces.
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Mist_sl said:
and then add in the fact that male brains are more likely to be structured to think that way in the first place, mix in some neuroplasticity and you've got a recipe for a lot of the behaviors we see.
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Gotta love how Mist is okay with different neurobiology in the sexes when it fits her argument
 
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