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Lightning Lord Rule_sl said:
Mist: "Traditional femininity is bullshit, not attractive, and you men should feel bad for being attracted to it!
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I didn't say anything like this. I didn't make any such value judgment at all.

I'm just stating the fact that girls are groomed from a young age to portray vulnerability, and that this continues into sexuality maturity and is expressed as a large part of feminine sexuality. This is a thing that is true.

Now, a clever girl will grow up to learn how to portray vulnerability in a way such that she becomes the manipulator. But many will just be manipulated, knowing no other way to express their sexuality other than through the vulnerability that they have been groomed to project.
 
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Mist is under the assumption that guys are only attracted to one kind of woman, otherwise her crap worldview falls apart. I like the soft, cutesy girls. I also like the strong fitness girls. I also like the thick, assy girls. Most men aren't only attracted to the type of woman that triggers her and makes her think the world is the worst
 
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Mist_sl said:
I'm just stating the fact that girls are groomed from a young age to portray vulnerability
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I honestly don't know a single real life person that fits this description. It's one of those things that you've heard said so many times on the internet feminist blogs that you think it's actually a thing
 
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Mist_sl said:
I didn't say anything like this. I didn't make any such value judgment at all.

I'm just stating the fact that girls are groomed from a young age to portray vulnerability, and that this continues into sexuality maturity and is expressed as a large part of feminine sexuality. This is a thing that is true.

Now, a clever girl will grow up to learn how to portray vulnerability in a way such that she becomes the manipulator. But many will just be manipulated, knowing no other way to express their sexuality other than through the vulnerability that they have been groomed to project.
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I think quite a few women have that whole manipulation through sex appeal thing nailed down pretty fucking hard.
 
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Jive Turkey_sl said:
Mist is under the assumption that guys are only attracted to one kind of woman, otherwise her crap worldview falls apart. I like the soft, cutesy girls. I also like the strong fitness girls. I also like the thick, assy girls. Most men aren't only attracted to the type of woman that triggers her and makes her think the world is the worst
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I am not saying that guys are only attracted to one thing. I am talking about how girls are groomed from a young age, to be vulnerable/portray vulnerability. Men are also not the sole perpetrators of this grooming. Girlscanstill overcome this grooming and still be attractive to men, but it is certainly not the default.
 
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The only thing she was right about is boobs being a signal for fertility and thus, attractive to men. That says nothing about conditioning or grooming. Most women are attracted to men with broad shoulders and masculine features. These are just biological markers for sexual attraction. Complaining about what the other sex finds attractive because you don't have it is weak shit. You've got no right to tell someone else what to be attracted to. The woman in the bikini on the billboard is the female equivalent to the man in the tailored suit. If women wanted to see men in their thongs everywhere, the advertisers would give that to them
 
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Mist_sl said:
I am not saying that guys are only attracted to one thing. I am talking about how girls are groomed from a young age, to be vulnerable/portray vulnerability. Men are also not the sole perpetrators of this grooming. Girlscanstill overcome this grooming and still be attractive to men, but it is certainly not the default.
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Can you give us a specific example from your life when you felt like you were being groomed for vulnerability?

I can only speak for the men in my social circles, but if someone is grooming women to be vulnerable, they've got no idea what mean are actually interested in
 
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Case in point: women are, as a simple fact of biology, more likely to be cold. Yet, they are more likely to wear less clothes than men, because female gender expression is about wearing clothes that expose skin to portray vulnerability.

If we were just following simple biology, rather than social conditioning/grooming, women would wear more clothes than men.
 
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Jive Turkey_sl said:
Can you give us a specific example from your life when you felt like you were being groomed for vulnerability?

I can only speak for the men in my social circles, but if someone is grooming women to be vulnerable, they've got no idea what mean are actually interested in
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ITT: Supposedly straight men who think they're more experts on how girls are raised than women are.
 
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Mist_sl said:
Case in point: women are, as a simple fact of biology, more likely to be cold. Yet, they are more likely to wear less clothes than men, because female gender expression is about wearing clothes that expose skin to portray vulnerability.

If we were just following simple biology, rather than social conditioning/grooming, women would wear more clothes than men.
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Men are more visual than women when it comes to sexuality (in the aggregate). They're simply appealing to what men find attractive. And men do this too, only showing more skin is generally not what women want to see. It follows simple biology perfectly
 
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Mist_sl said:
ITT: Supposedly straight men who think they're more experts on how girls are raised than women are.
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Or you could just answer the question and stop being a retard about it.

And how about women dictating what men should find attractive? That seems to be cool with you
 
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Jive Turkey_sl said:
Or you could just answer the question and stop being a retard about it.

And how about women dictating what men should find attractive? That seems to be cool with you
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She tried, and your response was 'men are more visual - biology!'

If you aren't at least willing to concede that nakedness has a relationship with sexual vulnerability, then there's no reason for her to continue the conversation into areas of more complex thought.
 
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Jive Turkey_sl said:
Are you refuting this?
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No. But it is an inadequate explanation for gender based sexual expression norms on its own. This is observable in the way men vs. women are posed/presented in pornographic material, or in things like common clothing styles, or grooming practices.
 
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Women are vulnerable, what makes you think it's society that's pushing this like it's unnatural, it's completely natural.
 
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"groomed from a young age" implies it's against natural instinct. I suspect this is what mist meant was cause she thinks you can train anyone to be anything because of her behaviorist background that society is creating something that wouldn't exist otherwise.
 
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I would say the skimpy clothing has far more to do with advertising her wares so to speak. It is the same with brightly colored animals for mating. Sight based species uses sight based attraction methods. Or its some vulnerability mumbo jumbo.
 
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