California trying GPS-tracking mileage tax for 2016

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You really realise how much gas tax is when they sell it at the next pump with no tax like off-raod diesel.
Just shows how fucking stupid average person is. World would be a hell of a lot different if at the end of the year you had to write a check to cover your taxes instead of it automatically coming out of your paycheck.
 

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Just shows how fucking stupid average person is. World would be a hell of a lot different if at the end of the year you had to write a check to cover your taxes instead of it automatically coming out of your paycheck.
How would the world be different?
 

Famm

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No refunds. Think about it.
All the stupid masses you were just complaining about would kick the can down the road and take the penalties as interest-collecting debt to amass alongside their high rate credit card debt and collection agencies tracking them down for the payday loan company debts. If anything that sounds like it creates a greater burden on the public sector (and cost to the actual taxpayers) to attempt collecting a single red cent from the bottom of the pyramid.
 

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Any place still have the tax prices at the pump? pretty sure none of them around me have it, just ads
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Yes, I'm sure everyone will be told the devices only track distance. And then we'll find out that's not the case.

Because that's pretty much how it's been going with all of this shit for years now.
The best part is that there is already a device on your car that does EXACTLY what they claim to want to be able to do.

There are so many ways to take this basic idea of transitioning from a flat tax into a consumption tax (which is the heart of what this is, and the only part of the entire thing which is at least a good idea) that aren't pants on head that you can't help but believe there is some truly nefarious ulterior motive. It's not even a conspiracy theory when they adamantly refuse to be subtle about it. It's just self evident.

It depends on the specific station, but some gas stations down here still have those tax breakdown stickers. And not the natty old ones that have been up there for 10 years. Fresh ones. There's some (not so) subtle marketing going on with those. When I first started driving I remember I used to think that it was weird the state would mandate putting up those stickers.

Oh teenage me, how smrt you were.
 

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I thought he was savvily referring to the fact that almost every car these days already has a GPS installed.
 

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The only problem with just checking the odometer is that it doesn't account for out of state driving. If you live in Lake Tahoe and commute to Reno every day then it's not really fair for California to tax you for mileage when 90% of your driving is done in Nevada.
Same with gas tax, though. You pay the state where you fill up, not where you drive.
 

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Those GPS are receivers, not transmitters

-edit I was referring to the previous comment that suggested "GPS are already in most cars and can be used for tracking purposes"
 

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Those GPS are receivers, not transmitters
GPS transceivers are in space. I don't know of any device that actually communicates with the GPS satellites besides, iirc, other satellites and AFSC. This application would use GPS receivers, too. but they'd simply be a duplicate odometer then. Sure they could use SMS messages to do heartbeat updates or something, but the GPS part is irrelevant to the immediate concern for intrusion of privacy. The device still has to communicate with the police state through some other medium.
 

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I was referring to the previous comment that suggested "GPS are already in most cars and can be used for tracking purposes"

As you said, active real-time GPS tracking (Not storing information locally like a odometer) requires a cellular network like GPRS to transmit data to a secure server when the device is pinged.

Your Garmin Nuvi isn't going to provide that functionality.
 

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There are so many ways to take this basic idea of transitioning from a flat tax into a consumption tax .
imo, going by vehicle miles is less of a consumption based tax. Large vehicles which cause the bulk of road damage use far more miles per gallon, and their consumption is more fairly represented this way. This tax distributes burden on low consumers in it's basic form.

I guess something needs to fund all these fucking toll roads.
 

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imo, going by vehicle miles is less of a consumption based tax. Large vehicles which cause the bulk of road damage use far more miles per gallon, and their consumption is more fairly represented this way. This tax distributes burden on low consumers in it's basic form.

I guess something needs to fund all these fucking toll roads.
So make a GVW fee schedule.

Fair disclosure: I don't drive a ton, so of course I'm all for reducing gas prices and making a benign odometer reading tax add on registration fees. In theory, anyway.

We all know that's not how this will go down. How it will go down is gas tax will be reduced on a 3 year 'trial period' for the new tax. Your first year will give you a tax break to 'pay' for the device. It will be capable of 'assisting law enforcement if they identify your vehicle is involved in a crime' but you'll find no more details. Everyone will moan and get over it because fuck you, if you're so innocent what do you have to hide???

Three years later the trial 'tax break' will expire, there will be a great deal of argument, blah blah, and both taxes will be in full effect, but most people will have gotten used to the new registration fees and gas prices go up and down all the time, so the 1 year incremental reapplication of the gasoline tax will seem innocuous to the average consumer. Then a story will leak about how the cops in a major city have a new service that allows them to store all the data from the system at all times for faster retrieval (IT'S FOR THE CHILDREN, ASSHOLE) but don't worry, because again, you've got nothing to hide, right??? Eventually it will begin to be used for more services like automated tolls like the transponder systems most states already use. Then cities with red-light and speed cameras will say it makes sense to just integrate them all. So at first, you'll only get tickets that are verified by camera and your GPS unit. Then a kid will die at a school crosswalk (THINK OF THE CHILDREN, RETARD) so they will expand it to cover 'high risk areas' where tickets will be generated just based on the GPS system.

Sometime between then and the point where all lighted intersections and major interstates become 'risk areas', studies by Redflex and GPS Transponders Co, Inc. will clearly show that THE LIVES OF CHILDREN MIGHT BE SAVED if we use the car tracking units to target those damned dirty lawbrea... I mean CHILD SLAYERS. Around this point another major bridge will collapse and a series of inquiries will go into the infrastructure problems of the Eisenhower Interstate System. State revenue from the system thus far, redirected to continue expanding the system and the Redflex contract, will be insufficient to cope with the declining condition of the roadways. Major appeals of CHILD SAVERS to the US Congress will push them to the point of considering a federal roadway tax to help offset the new SAVE THE CHILDREN ON THE HIGHWAY funding initiative, which will be distributed to states to fund improvements to interstate highways. Of course, most of the revenue for the first few years will have to cover the costs of creating the new fund, the bureaucracy to manage and maintain everything, the new federal inspection station system and of course into the companies that provide the new GPS devices for states which are not progressive enough to have already started using the system.

Ah, America.
 

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This might sound like a stupid question, but where is all this tax money going to? I mean the middle class, dude like me is already getting taxed and re-taxed for basically 50% of my salary, right? But yet the schools are broke, the infrastructure is ancient and crumbling, so again where the fuck is it all going? Not just federal tax dollars, but the state and local ones I pay as well?
You think waging war on one half of the world and complete observation of the other half of the world is cheap?

The other big chunk is interest on national debt. Billions of tax dollars (and euros obviously) go straight from the Tax agencies into the coffers of Warren Buffett and the ultra rich. Nothing given in return.
 

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You think waging war on one half of the world and complete observation of the other half of the world is cheap?

The other big chunk is interest on national debt. Billions of tax dollars (and euros obviously) go straight from the Tax agencies into the coffers of Warren Buffett and the ultra rich. Nothing given in return.
TIL Quineloe doesn't realize that state and federal tax coffers are separate in the US.