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They're making one. And last I heard, they want Le Chiffre from Casino Royale to play Strange.
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Just finished watching it. Awesome. Better than the first by far. Better over all movie than the Avengers too IMO. Just not a better superhero movie than Avengers. Much more like a Bourne movie. Will see it again soon.
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The directors were Anthony and Joe Russo, who are known for working on Community and Arrested Development, and they've already been signed to do Cap 3.
Good movie, dragged abit in some places.
I did like the film, but playing devil's advocate it wasn't very smart for a film that is currently touting itself as a espionage film in the Marvel Universe. I feel like the critics that nitpick movies like this will have a field day with this one.
That being said there is so many cool action beats in this movie, and it fits perfectly with Iron Man 3 with the theme of great changes are happening.
Chris Evans really has become Cap, It's a shame he doesn't want to do the films anymore, and is only in contract for 3 more movies.
I did like the film, but playing devil's advocate it wasn't very smart for a film that is currently touting itself as a espionage film in the Marvel Universe. I feel like the critics that nitpick movies like this will have a field day with this one.
That being said there is so many cool action beats in this movie, and it fits perfectly with Iron Man 3 with the theme of great changes are happening.
Chris Evans really has become Cap, It's a shame he doesn't want to do the films anymore, and is only in contract for 3 more movies.
Posted this in the marvel show thread, but figured I'll post it here too.
I guess you can call it nitpicking, pulling a thread that kind of unravels (in my mind at least) a fairly central part of the story.
So Hydras plan was to kill all dissenters based on their electronic profiles. However, the saying bombing for peace is like fucking for virginity comes to mind. It is a dumb premise. Those guns on the ships weren't exactly low key, so if they initiated, so people who died to them wouldn't exactly just die of cancer or some other way where the people around them wouldn't know what happened. They'd have to do a purge every day when friends and families of the victims start reacting. MARVEL seems to be in the "real" world so to speak, and in our world, if people started being blasted out of the sky by government organizations, other people would be upset.
Further, they can only target one area at a time, even though it is large in scope, if China, Russia or whatever else large military power found out that millions of Americans were being blown away because they dissented to being run by the government or had other ideas that the algorithm deemed dangerous, do you not think they would act long before the three ships would be able to position themselves to take out the dissenters in those countries? The three ships would have to be on the move all the time, just shooting the constant increasing number of dissenters to the point where they wouldn't have ammo left while also defending themselves from missiles being launched by every country capable of launching one.
As an action movie, I enjoyed it, but even the plot in Iron Man 3 with a fake terrorist war being planned is more believable than that as that premise was to create tension and profit for it. HYDRA wanting order, by killing millions across the world, with three ships using conventional ammunition makes you have to completely suspend any sort of realism and go into "well it is a superhero, action movie, realism is out of the window already!!" mode to enjoy it. Making it more into a mindless popcorn movie rather than taking it seriously, which they obviously want you to do considering how much it plays on conspiracy realism on why data collection by governments can be bad.
If HYDRA managed to do it, there wouldn't be order, it would be world chaos. Smart enough to create AIs and infiltrate the top levels of organizations and governments, while still failing psychology 101? Fun movie, but one of the dumbest plots yet.
Further, they can only target one area at a time, even though it is large in scope, if China, Russia or whatever else large military power found out that millions of Americans were being blown away because they dissented to being run by the government or had other ideas that the algorithm deemed dangerous, do you not think they would act long before the three ships would be able to position themselves to take out the dissenters in those countries? The three ships would have to be on the move all the time, just shooting the constant increasing number of dissenters to the point where they wouldn't have ammo left while also defending themselves from missiles being launched by every country capable of launching one.
As an action movie, I enjoyed it, but even the plot in Iron Man 3 with a fake terrorist war being planned is more believable than that as that premise was to create tension and profit for it. HYDRA wanting order, by killing millions across the world, with three ships using conventional ammunition makes you have to completely suspend any sort of realism and go into "well it is a superhero, action movie, realism is out of the window already!!" mode to enjoy it. Making it more into a mindless popcorn movie rather than taking it seriously, which they obviously want you to do considering how much it plays on conspiracy realism on why data collection by governments can be bad.
If HYDRA managed to do it, there wouldn't be order, it would be world chaos. Smart enough to create AIs and infiltrate the top levels of organizations and governments, while still failing psychology 101? Fun movie, but one of the dumbest plots yet.
EDIT: Another thing that kind of irks me from the very first Captain America movie. In that he brings back lots HYDRA pew pew weapons, including a tank. Why aren't they using modified version of those later? Especially with Stark there to reverse engineer the guns. Fast forward 70 years and they are back to arming themselves with conventional weapons? It is sort of hinted at them having much worse versions of them in the Avengers movie, but even the Red Skulls modified Luger seemed to pack a bigger punch than what Coulson used on Loke.
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They were powered by the Cube and had to be recharged. Once the Cube power cells ran out that was all she wrote. And even though they had the Cube for all that time between 1945 and 2012 they never seemed to know how to do anything with it till they had Selvig/Loki start messing with it in 2011. They made several weapons (The one Coulson used on Loki) but they have the same problem. Once their charge of Cube power runs out they are done. So what Cube powered weapons they have left they are saving till they really need them.
This shows them trying to move forward with Stark tech. I am sure in Avengers 2 we will see more Stark Tech and some of the Cube weapons may be used too.
This shows them trying to move forward with Stark tech. I am sure in Avengers 2 we will see more Stark Tech and some of the Cube weapons may be used too.
There's nothing wrong with nitpicking. I think it's healthy, since good nitpicks force writers to come up with better stories. That's why critics exist.
The algorithm that Arnim Zola created (which will likely be the basis for Ultron in the next Avengers movie) put together profiles of all of the people it decided would try to fight back against Hydra's coup. So all of the politicians, who happened to be in Washington, that would fight back would be killed outright. Now think about this for a second: You're a dude sitting around watching TV and you discover that three quarters, or more, of your elected representatives have been killed in a massive attack. Who do you call? The local police? The national guard? Who do you, as a citizen without a representative, call? When all of those people who might have taken up a role as "opposition leader" are dead, and everybody else has been profiled to be a coward who will fall into line, who do you follow?
Yes, people would be upset, but we're talking about people without leaders. How do you form an opposition when all potential opposition leaders are dead?
Yes, people would be upset, but we're talking about people without leaders. How do you form an opposition when all potential opposition leaders are dead?
Well, you gotta figure that Hydra's coup wasn't simply focused on the USA. I mean, you just figured out a weakness in their plan, so perhaps they too thought of this. I get the feeling that we'll hear about other Hydra coup attempts in other countries in upcoming Agents of Shield episodes simply to push this idea to the forefront, since it isan obviousproblem, but one that can be resolved with a couple lines of dialog.
As for other countries blasting these helicarriers out of the sky: The helicarriers are stealth vehicles. This was shown in the first Avengers movie. Not only that, but SHIELD isn't an United States organization, it's an international organization. All countries fund Shield, and Shield uses that funding to produce the top of the line weapons to defend the world against threats. Do you think Russia or China have weapons to defend themselves against an organization that they fund and rely on to defend them? That's why they'd be members in the first place.
As for other countries blasting these helicarriers out of the sky: The helicarriers are stealth vehicles. This was shown in the first Avengers movie. Not only that, but SHIELD isn't an United States organization, it's an international organization. All countries fund Shield, and Shield uses that funding to produce the top of the line weapons to defend the world against threats. Do you think Russia or China have weapons to defend themselves against an organization that they fund and rely on to defend them? That's why they'd be members in the first place.
To be fair, it wasn't conventional weaponry. The algorithm and satellites were the real weapons here, since they could acquire a target from space by their DNA. The helicarriers were simply the method they chose to fire the shots. They could have done it with teams of paramilitary soldiers, but that'd be less efficient.
Granted, it'd be chaos until Hydra was able to bring in the troops and set up marshal law, but they already had control over SHIELD and also had operatives in high governmental positions. If the President, VP, Speaker of the House, and all cabinet members were all wiped out, I think the implication was that Senator Sterns (Garry Shandling's character) would have taken up the role of President, and he was a member of Hydra. So you have a Hydra President telling the armed forces to crack down on the chaos. It might sound implausible, but it's not completely out of the realm of possibility.
Uh, they were? SHIELD was making tesseract-based weapons in the first Avengers movie, and everybody (Stark, Captain America, Banner, Thor) all thought that was a bad idea. Even Fury thought it was a bad idea, which is why he created the Avengers Initiative.
Stark quit the weapon business in Iron Man 1. After that he was focused on arc reactor technology, being "the only name in clean energy" by the time The Avengers was released.
The Red Skull's Luger was powered by the tesseract. After the Avengers, Thor had taken the Tesseract back to Asgard. How exactly are they going to power tesseract-based weapons without a tesseract? That's why they were using "conventional" weapons in TWS.
The weapon Coulson used to blast Loki was a prototype. Even he didn't know what it did. Sure, they probably do have more super weapons like that, but it would have been unnecessary for the plan. Conventional weapons would have worked just fine, considering the other technologies at work.
Look, I'm not saying you're wrong about this stuff, I just think that we haven't seen the whole story unfold since it's tied into Agents of Shield. A lot of the plot issues can easily be cleared up in that show. It might seem like a cop-out, but that's what happens when you get this kind of cross-promotional unified media. It's been like this for years in comic books; you'd read an awesome story that might have a couple of loose strings tied up in completely unrelated future issues by an unrelated character using a couple lines of dialog.
The ending was a bit silly :
"You just destroyed several trillion dollars of military hardware, killed thousands of people, leaked more military secrets than snowden and flat out murdered the secretary of defense in front of multiple witnesses."
"Eh, whatever, I do what I want and you'll like it. Now I am just going to walk out of this hearing because the entire US government is too much of a pussy to arrest me."
"Eh, whatever, I do what I want and you'll like it. Now I am just going to walk out of this hearing because the entire US government is too much of a pussy to arrest me."
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Besides the obvious stuff people will nitpick, I really did not like what they did with Robert's character.
I thought he was extremely one dimensional when they could have done a lot of cool things with his character especially when you have such a good actor. I assumed they were going to play up that he talks to the spirit of the original Red Skull, but that also did not happen.
That being said, I loved that they continually flesh out Caps personalty who is a one dimensional character in most comics. You can see why people will follow him to the ends of the earth, and why he is considered the epitome of a hero for the Marvel U. Even a character as flawed as Black Widow fell in love with him in a very short time, and that love/admiration is something that he continually imparts on everyone he meets throughout his journey
That being said, I loved that they continually flesh out Caps personalty who is a one dimensional character in most comics. You can see why people will follow him to the ends of the earth, and why he is considered the epitome of a hero for the Marvel U. Even a character as flawed as Black Widow fell in love with him in a very short time, and that love/admiration is something that he continually imparts on everyone he meets throughout his journey
When I first saw the trailer with Robert Redford I immediately thought he would have made an absolutely great Nick Fury.
I actually hoped all through the movie that that would be a twist at the end.
I actually hoped all through the movie that that would be a twist at the end.
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Saw a second time Thursday night. Still love it.
Yes I think it a better movie than Avengers.
But Avengers is a better SUPERhero movie. Cap is a better overall movie. It is a fine line difference but I really think Cap blurs the line in a way that makes it work.
Also as with all Marvel movies stay for both after credits scenes they are must sees.
Yes I think it a better movie than Avengers.
But Avengers is a better SUPERhero movie. Cap is a better overall movie. It is a fine line difference but I really think Cap blurs the line in a way that makes it work.
Also as with all Marvel movies stay for both after credits scenes they are must sees.
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Fantastic movie. Not going to go into the plot much because that has been talked about already, but I liked it and enjoyed it. I also really liked Falcon, which is saying something because I always thought he was a terrible character in the comics. But aside from that, in particular I loved how fast and brutal Cap was when fighting people. They went flying like they should when someone with his strength hits them, they slammed into shit so hard you winced, and overall he just moved like I expected him to. It was a perfect depiction of his abilities, I felt. And as Column said, they've done a fantastic job of showing how powerful his personality is too.
Solid 9/10 movie for me, I think.
Solid 9/10 movie for me, I think.
