CFB 2012-2013

Genjiro

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And? He played defensive tackle, a position whose role is just to clog the middle on running plays and bat down balls every now and again. Not like he can score touchdowns, and that's the difference between positions. QBs should be completely dominant..... they touch the ball every snap.

Suh also did it on a team with 1/10th the talent around him that someone like Tebow had. Schools like Florida Alabama etc are the haves, and why college football is so different because they should win almost every game due to the talent disparity.
 
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Not what I said. Was rebutting the idea that Nebraska is a slum of a school with no talent.

And again, outside of Harvin, there weren't overly talented people on any of Tebow's offenses.
 
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ObservantBastard_sl said:
Not what I said. Was rebutting the idea that Nebraska is a slum of a school with no talent.

And again, outside of Harvin, there weren't overly talented people on any of Tebow's offenses.
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Recruiting class rank, Florida. Used years before seasons he played, as these are the players that would've been on the field with him
2005: #11
2006: #2
2007: #1
2008: #5
 
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So you've proven that Florida gets better incoming Freshmen. Would you like to go on a further tangent and chronicle how top recruits often underperform once they actually start playing?

They had Emanual Moody transfer from USC, #1 RB recruit. Rode the friggin bench. Didn't produce worth a crap.

Let's get back to the actual debate. If Suh is dominant he changes the outcome of games. Was there a single year Nebraska was in the running for a MNC when he played? Because I'd seem to think that a team with the most dominant player ever would tend to be in the running at least one year out of the 5 he played.
 
Genjiro

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Changing the outcome of games doesnt mean you have to be in the running for the national championship. Good lord. Yea, he did change the outcome of games. No, no NC because of the shitty team he was on. Not even going to waste time with the Tom Osborne era stuff because anyone with a brain knows Nebraska is nowhere near what they were in those days.

Again, the ability to change the game greatly varies with what position you play. Tim Tebow is a horrible QB that played on a team with far more talent than everyone else they played aside from maybe Alabama. The year Tebow was drafted Florida had more people drafted in the early rounds (6 to be exact...rd 1 and 2) than any other college, and nine total which was more than any other school (2 of those guys Maurkice Pouncey and Aaron Hernandez are already NFL pro bowlers and more are likely to follow with guys like Joe Haden, Brandon Spikes etc). The top recruits underperforming stuff is also wrong. Higher rated star kids get drafted higher, that is a fact and was confirmed by some study done by I think Rivals a couple years ago comparing star rating to draft position. No surprise that Suh has already gone to the pro bowl at the next level and Tebow hasn't. The college game is about the haves and the have nots, which makes it so fun when those teams lose to underdogs but also is why the sport is not all that competitive and the same handful of teams dominate year in and year out.
 
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Ok so no MNCs, how many B12 championships? Zero

How many B12 division titles? One, in 2006, when he was a sophomore.

Highest end of season ranking? 14

His defense's stats his best (Sr) year? First in scoring defense (yay!), 7th in total defense
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, 9th in rushing defense
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, 18th in pass defense
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Personal defensive records he owns? Zero (Terrell Suggs has 2)

And I think you have Tebow's NFL career confused for his college career. Hint, he's horrible now, in the NFL.

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Springbok

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HAHAHA, it all makes so much sense now.

On another topic, lets discuss recruiting shall we? I'm looking over recruiting rankings for next season and a few things stuck out to me: First, A$M is killing it. They've always managed to field pretty good classes, but it wasn't but a few years ago when they were competing with OSU/Tech etc for a large number of recruits. OU/Texas still got pretty much everyone they wanted from Texas, and left the rest to Big 12 teams, LSU/Arkansas etc. What's interesting is during Stoops' first 5-6 years he ALWAYS had top 5 classes. Every big, fast DL or LB it seems would end up in Norman. As of this morning - their class is ranked 30th. That's crazy to me. That is where OSU used to hover around (even during Les Miles' era). Pretty shocking fall - wonder if any OU guys care to weigh in? OSU btw is at 19 - pretty normal for us, and I believe A$M is up to 7th... an amazing development (even better than UT's class).

I know recruiting classes aren't the end all, be all in CFB - but they are certainly important. Can A$M's move to the SEC REALLY have that big an impact on their recruiting? If so, why do some perennial SEC powers not recruit (objectively) that well? Most of A$M's class is from Texas - but I didn't think the impact would be so significant so quickly. It's worrying to say the least (especially to the OU's and UT's - OSU has stayed in roughly the same range (15-20th ranked classes) for about a decade, and I imagine Tech, TCU, Baylor etc are all roughly the same. A$M, LSU etc are pulling these kids directly from UT and OU.
 
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A&M always had top-20 classes, even when they sucked, so now that they actually have a good coach and a bright future under Sumlin they should have top 10, if not top 5 classes almost every year.

This year A&Ms recruiting rankings are a bit overinflated though, because they have like 30 commits and they can't sign that many. The best assessment of recruiting is not where the overall ranking lays, but the overall average star ranking per player. The way that Rivals, Scouts, and ESPN are set up, they'll rank a school with 25 3-star commits over a school with 15 4-star commits. It's all about mass numbers. In general, schools that are good academically, are graduating a lot of their kids, and aren't having tons of off the field problems where they have to kick kids off, can't sign 25 kids every year, there just isn't room for that many most years. Most of the SEC schools traditionally end up signing huge classes every year, theres a lot that dont qualify academically and have other "issues" that end up with them not remaining on the team, so that is part of the reason that you generally see 10 SEC teams in the top 25 recruiting rankings every year, its all about class size more than quality(not that several SEC schools don't get good quality too). But when you see a school like Mississippi State in the top 25 in recruiting fairly regularly, you know something is a little flawed with the recruit class ranking process.

Bottom line is, look at the number of 5 and 4 star guys a school is getting to see how they are really doing in recruiting compared to other schools.
 
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You just have to watch Suh vs. Texas in his last year where he almost single handedly won that game and with any type of offense they would have won that game.
 
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They have, but I can't remember the last time A$M was (rated at least) better than BOTH OU and UT. Like I said, they were ALWAYS at about the same level as OSU (within 5 or so spots anyways), and pretty far off the pace of the OU's, UT's, LSU's of the world.
 
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joeboo_sl said:
A&M always had top-20 classes, even when they sucked, so now that they actually have a good coach and a bright future under Sumlin they should have top 10, if not top 5 classes almost every year.

This year A&Ms recruiting rankings are a bit overinflated though, because they have like 30 commits and they can't sign that many. The best assessment of recruiting is not where the overall ranking lays, but the overall average star ranking per player. The way that Rivals, Scouts, and ESPN are set up, they'll rank a school with 25 3-star commits over a school with 15 4-star commits. It's all about mass numbers. In general, schools that are good academically, are graduating a lot of their kids, and aren't having tons of off the field problems where they have to kick kids off, can't sign 25 kids every year, there just isn't room for that many most years. Most of the SEC schools traditionally end up signing huge classes every year, theres a lot that dont qualify academically and have other "issues" that end up with them not remaining on the team, so that is part of the reason that you generally see 10 SEC teams in the top 25 recruiting rankings every year, its all about class size more than quality(not that several SEC schools don't get good quality too). But when you see a school like Mississippi State in the top 25 in recruiting fairly regularly, you know something is a little flawed with the recruit class ranking process.

Bottom line is, look at the number of 5 and 4 star guys a school is getting to see how they are really doing in recruiting compared to other schools.
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Rivals, at least, does not work that way, or else UGA would have the top class. You get extremely diminished returns in their system after the Xth recruit.
 
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If Texas doesn't turn shit around A&M will take over that state. Young, black coach. Heisman winning QB with three years of eligibility left. Wide open offense. They are going to be ESPN's darlings for the foreseeable future.
 
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Gilgamel_sl said:
If Texas doesn't turn shit around A&M will take over that state. Young, black coach. Heisman winning QB with three years of eligibility left. Wide open offense. They are going to be ESPN's darlings for the foreseeable future.
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Wayyy too late for this conversation. The battle for #2 program is closer than the fight for #1 in that state.
 
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