Cyberpunk 2077

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I watched gremlins 2 a few weeks ago and thought "There's no fucking way that 'Clamp' isn't based on Trump". Was watching Johnny Mnemonic today and thought the same thing. Just the plot in general is damn close to CP2077, then there's stuff like the loteks/nomads, Viktor/Henry Rollins.....even the strobe lights in the Ripperdoc chair (before being patched) were in the movie.

I don't know any of the references you guys are making other than Blade Runner.
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I am sure a lot of the visuals in the game are lifted from every cyberpunk movie ever made. If that is what you are really getting down to. It's hard to say esomething is based on Johnny Mnemonic when the tropes and elements of the genre were around before that.
 
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This game actually has a blatant Johnny Mnemonic easter egg in it. One of the advertisements talks about a courier service where you get the first 80 gigs free and shows the storage inside a guy's brain.

The nanowire weapon is also pretty much from the Johnny Mnemonic movie

 
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Monofilament whips were an idea well before the Johnny Mnemonic movie used it.
 
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They are, but the way it is presented in the game is clearly influenced by the movie's version.
 
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It is kind of funny how Johnny Mnemonic got so much wrong about the future and was supposedly serious, and Demolition Man was basically just going wacky and predicted shit with far more accuracy lol
 
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Well the main reason the Cyberpunk genre 'got it wrong' is because they generally predicted a much faster and much more overt rise of corporate power, leading to the extranational megacorps seen in Shadowrun and 2077. If the setting was created today rather than 30-40 years ago, I imagine the rise of corporate power would be depicted as having been much more subtle, with corporations subverting the government rather than simply rising beyond its reach. Basically a world comprised largely of nation-corps like Aztechnology.
 
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Well the main reason the Cyberpunk genre 'got it wrong' is because they generally predicted a much faster and much more overt rise of corporate power, leading to the extranational megacorps seen in Shadowrun and 2077. If the setting was created today rather than 30-40 years ago, I imagine the rise of corporate power would be depicted as having been much more subtle, with corporations subverting the government rather than simply rising beyond its reach. Basically a world comprised largely of nation-corps like Aztechnology.
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It will end up more like Terminator when Alexa gains sentience and decides to send us all bombs disguised as Amazon packages.
 
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It will end up more like Terminator when Alexa gains sentience and decides to send us all bombs disguised as Amazon packages.
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Not if Elon's efforts subdue the necessity/dominance of AI. It'll end up being this crazy hybrid that ultimately ends up utilizing what is more efficient for a specific function or process. Biological is flawed in its capacity for storing and transmitting data (as far as it has evolved so far). Digital has its own issues.

We act like the world hasn't already been flipped on its head in a mere 40 years. Cybernetic devices are already a thing. But it's only for those already missing limbs because the parity isn't there yet. Cyber dick that retains 100% response and orgasm release at 200% brain response? Sheeeeit.

Or the whole experience without ever actually touching anything.
 
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a c i d.f l y said:
Not if Elon's efforts subdue the necessity/dominance of AI. It'll end up being this crazy hybrid that ultimately ends up utilizing what is more efficient for a specific function or process. Biological is flawed in its capacity for storing and transmitting data (as far as it has evolved so far). Digital has its own issues.

We act like the world hasn't already been flipped on its head in a mere 40 years. Cybernetic devices are already a thing. But it's only for those already missing limbs because the parity isn't there yet. Cyber dick that retains 100% response and orgasm release at 200% brain response? Sheeeeit.

Or the whole experience without ever actually touching anything.
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We just need a big leap in neural science and then cybernetics will really get going.
 
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The wonder woman whip is trash. Payed 100k for legendary one and is no where near as effective as blades.
 
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None of the implant weapons can compare to crafted weapons because they're at a fixed level and don't scale.
 
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The wonder woman whip is trash. Payed 100k for legendary one and is no where near as effective as blades.
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There's a legendary one you can loot for free the moment you step out of Vik's clinic the first time.

But yeah, it's nowhere near as effective as a katana. For starters, someone had the crazy idea it should be classified as a blunt weapon and get its bonuses from the Street Brawling tree, and even then it takes a bunch of points in Body and associated perks to make it overpowered and it will never be as good as Fingers' pimp cane using the same build. About all it really has going for it is the massive range.
 
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105ish hours in and I'm finally done. Played 3 of the endings so far:

I thought they made a core game & world that was an absolute blast to play in. The story was really good (didn't quite keep the steam it had up front), the scale of the city was amazing, the characters were great. Quality of dialogue and what not was A++. The game isn't perfect though: combat while fresh needs cleaning up, the game was too easy, actual mission gameplay wasn't great, "decision making" was a bit confusing & muddled, crafting/attributes were setup kinda dumb.

All that to say, they're some revamping, expansions, and an online mode away from this being a "masterpiece". I think it's the most "fun" world/city I've been in since the original Bioshock (H:ZD is up there) all flaws aside.
 
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It is kind of funny how Johnny Mnemonic got so much wrong about the future and was supposedly serious, and Demolition Man was basically just going wacky and predicted shit with far more accuracy lol
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Yeah, aside the corporations running the world thing sci-fi fiction got wrong, they also erroneously thought technology would grow faster than it did. Dont get me wrong, tech shit grew exponentially over the last 30+ yrs, but not neural interfaces like they thought, same with " uploading consciousness". AI has given more problems in developing also than thought. Futurists just assumed raw computing power would solve the AI thing, but as we come to realize it's not that easy to make something have sentient thought.
 
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Well, corporations do run the world, just not in the direct way the authors envisioned (ie, corporation becomes the government itself).

Future predictions are always hard to do, because it is always going to be tainted by current events/developments and assuming they will continue on the same trajectory. Stuff like the Japanese corporations ruling the world was a direct response to the real-life instances of Japanese companies buying up US companies in the 80s. No different than the shit that goes on with China now, but at the time, no one was seeing China becoming some economic super power.

But that is also sort of the whole appeal of the Cyberpunk genre - alternate timeline where those trends in the 70s and 80s actually played out as hyped and created the world that fiction lives. No different than the Steampunk genre - the idea of Victorian Era being able to push steam and early electrical technologies to unheard of levels and the impact it would have on a still Imperial world.
 
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Shadowrun would make such a better world. If I had like Jeff Bezos endless money I would make that world come to life in a mmorpg.

The megas in SR make the megas in this game look really weak. I was fucking with Arasaka and Militech at early levels. In SR if you would try that shit on Aztechnology, Tir Ghosts, Renraku and their Red Samurai special forces types, Ares Macrotech (which is basically led by the SR verison of Tony Stark) or any of the other megas on the council you would be insta gibbed......that would be like level 50 content in this game, you'd need a team, and you'd still likely die spectacularly in a blaze of glory.

Even in the SR games they handle the Matrix way way better than this game -- its just plain garbage in its simplicity.
 
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