Dark and Darker
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Palum
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Yep I really like the idea of the game but not as an extraction shooter thing. I don't know why there's no real dungeon crawler game.
Caliane
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There are many dungeon crawlers. I think theres three issues.
1. the genre is so large that its hard to identify one game with all the specific features YOU may want. what gets tagged as "dungeon crawl" in steam is pretty huge.
2. that said, there still aren't enough entries. grimrock was a huge success for a bit there.. where are all the clones?
3. "open world" largely killed the dungeon crawl. few games intentionally keep it to a dungeon. even zelda/from soft got enamored with "open world".
Lets look at a few that come to mind.
Barony. roguelike. 1-4player. deep skill system. class based. fast paced. (one of the things I don't like about it. not a crawl, its a rush. minotaur timer forces to move quickly, not explore)
Lunacid. kings field/shadow tower spiritual successor. This might be what you are looking for. nails it. only downside might be copying the ps2 era graphics to really nail that kings field look.
neverlooted dungeon. physics based, dungeon crawl. solo char, no classes. intended to be reminiscent to ultima underworld.
those are 3 I know that are great.
others? theres 100% more that went under my radar. theres also some more open world stuff, that would still scratch the itch. like elden ring.
no rest for the wicked might scratch the itch.
noita is kindof.. but also not.. (don't read spoilers on noita. just be aware, the game is WAY bigger then it seems at first.)
dread delusion is very solid. but more Morrowind, then dungeon crawl specifically.
Dread Delusion on Steam
or.. are we looking for blobbers?
Legends of Amberland II: The Song of Trees on Steam
Wizardry: Proving Grounds of the Mad Overlord on Steam
Theres of course Darkest dungeon likes.
Darkest Dungeon® II on Steam
Circus Electrique on Steam
cryptmaster is kindof neat.
Cryptmaster on Steam
Cryptmaster Review
So, which are we looking for exactly?
the amount of games that still feel like it, if we allow open worlds. like dread delusion/elden ring there of course greatly opens it up. same with metroidvania's.
theres lots of metroidvania's, such as say, Animal well, that could 100% qualify as a dungeon crawl. or salt and sanctuary/blasphemous type stuff. bloodstained.
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Burns
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Wizardry 8 is viewed as the best blobber ever made and it's not hard to get running on modern hardware. I would just start there if looking for a dungeon crawler. Then move to other games, depending on how much one likes Wizardry 8. Such as playing Legends of Grimrock, if wanting real time or going to other blobbers like Might & Magic or Wizardry 6 & 7.
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Palum
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Neverlooted looks decent at least. IDK something about the Dark and Darker theming seems cool, as does the online nature. Just don't like the extraction shooter part.
BrotherWu
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I think the way to start having some success in Dark and Darker is to iterate on a single map until you are pretty comfortable with the spawns and extraction points. Eventually you will get some gear and get out by waiting quietly in the dark at some extraction point waiting on it to unlock.
For me, the problem is that to be even moderately competitive, you will have to put in A LOT of time. Especially at the age most of us are, you will have to build smarts to overcome twitch skills.
Also, I know that the combat is supposed to be slowed down and more tactical, but it always felt really janky to me. Just awkward and unsatisfying. I understand why some people like the thrill of playing it but it didn't have staying power for me, partially because I sucked and didn't enjoy the effort of getting better in this case.
For me, the problem is that to be even moderately competitive, you will have to put in A LOT of time. Especially at the age most of us are, you will have to build smarts to overcome twitch skills.
Also, I know that the combat is supposed to be slowed down and more tactical, but it always felt really janky to me. Just awkward and unsatisfying. I understand why some people like the thrill of playing it but it didn't have staying power for me, partially because I sucked and didn't enjoy the effort of getting better in this case.
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Grabbit Allworth
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I tried this game for the first time last week. I played it for about 10 hours over 2 days as a solo rogue. The game has a lot of charm and enjoyable aspects, but it's clear that it isn't for me.
Reason: Every time I would encounter another person, I would ignore them -- even when they were about to die. Sometimes I would even kill the creatures attacking them and then turn around and go about my business.
What did I get for my aid? I was killed. Every. Time. I'm not complaining; I know it's part of the game, but the game just reminded how much I hate people online.
Reason: Every time I would encounter another person, I would ignore them -- even when they were about to die. Sometimes I would even kill the creatures attacking them and then turn around and go about my business.
What did I get for my aid? I was killed. Every. Time. I'm not complaining; I know it's part of the game, but the game just reminded how much I hate people online.
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Nirgon
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Man when you were a kid, were you out there playing tag and hating people for tagging you? Come on, stab people, use that hate in the dungeons.