Death of a Game - Everquest franchise

I remember Epic Quests burning me the fuck out as a raid leader of the top guild on the server. Spending 12+ hours hopping across Norrath to knock out parts of everyone's epic. Hopping from Cabilis to The Hole to High Hold etc etc etc.. back before they made them easier with triggered spawns.

Thing with Epics which is relateable to a previous conversation... it was one of those things they added to the game that most people felt entitled to and was seen as a "Progress" item.

I guess overall it was good for the game, as everyone seems to have their "epic quest story" to reminisce about.

Grim1 said:

Lol. Wish the guild on my server had helped like that. Unless you were one of the core classes whose epic was considered important to advance the guild, you were pretty much left to your own devices. SK epic was low priority for us. But I had fun getting my friends together for most of the hard parts. And since fear and Cazic were part of the guild's farm rotation that part usually rotted (2 sk's in the guild).

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These are the good memories of the game I have tbh. Yea, the shit burned me out, but running around knocking out content with a couple groups of people was good times. I couldn't ever do it again though (time commitments).

Nowadays everything is on rails, you just accomplish everything eventually anyways. They put the Quest in a big box off to the side and guide you through every step. Eventually you collect your shiny new reward. hooray!

Vinjin said:

Cleric rezz sticks were the top priority for any guild over any other epic in the game by a country mile.

Warriors were probably right behind them with the Jagged Blade of War. Once Velious came though and guilds farmed SoDs which were uber taunt weapons, a lot less so.

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on red99 (yeah I know) the server first epic was...wait for it.... Paladin.

If only they'd release a TLP pvp server. Would need to stop in Luclin though. The PoK books to me ruined the scope of the game and made for WAY TOO many avenues of escape. Ruined the regionalism of the game, which fostered regional communities.

Flobee said:

My only issue with a pvp server at this point is that the people that are good at EQ pvp are REALLY good at it. Caster's are relatively simple to play, but melee takes a fair amount of practice. Jousting alone is a skill, add in large group fights with levitation. Forget about it man. Normal EQ players are just too far behind the curve. Same kind of reason that a Quake style game is hard to do these days.

Maybe im just a pvp turd though

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To me one of the biggest things that happened that skewed pvp was when the client stopped forced 1st person perspective. It made playing a melee FAR easier than it use to be. Try playing a troll sk at the games launch, forced first person perspective in a land filled with no-resists and plenty of magic users sniping you from your blind sides (troll SK was my launch toon, could not get anymore hardcore I tell you, the amount of times random NPCs waxxed my evil ass in the countryside before I even see them, sending me back to Grobb..). It kept things balanced between melee and caster. When you have a large field of vision and see all your opponents at once around you, you can play it like quake which is NOT classic..

"my" pvp server would use the old client , forced first person. That would neutralize a lot of the melee twitch fest we see in modern eq pvp. Would make pvp slower, more methodical, more tactical.

EQ pvp in first person view is just a whole other game.

Actually they use the first person only client still on the Alkabor project, which I suppose will one day go public and then a pvp server could be made with it. THAT will be good. They are very accurate and classic over there, right up there with p99 just farther along in the era (currently luclin but will stop at PoP). Its a serious server and that client base would make a true classic pvp server experience (minus PoP, but blah).

Locnar said:

Actually they use the first person only client still on the Alkabor project,

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false. there's no mouse scroll to 3rd person, but F9 still switches view like modern EQ clients. i was just playing there in 3rd person an hour ago.

pharmakos said:

false. there's no mouse scroll to 3rd person, but F9 still switches view like modern EQ clients. i was just playing there in 3rd person an hour ago.

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F9 switched to other camera angle views in 1999 too. I'm talking about the mouse scroll wheel and ability to pan around smoothly that did not exist in 1999 or on alkabor. Those F9 camera angle switches would be useless in pvp as your camera would be fixed as you ran around.

Locnar said:

F9 switched to other camera angle views in 1999 too. I'm talking about the mouse scroll wheel and ability to pan around smoothly that did not exist in 1999 or on alkabor. Those F9 camera angle switches would be useless in pvp as your camera would be fixed as you ran around.

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Ah, gotcha. Yeah, it's definitely much, much more difficult using F9 in PVP. I'm sure if you work at it enough tho you can learn to use em.