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Joeboo

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Probably not every game at max/ultra settings. Battlefield 4 will probably average 30-35fps, and be totally playable. But that is reasonable for the price. It basically takes a 290x or Titan/780Ti to run Battlefield 4 at an average of 60FPS or higher. Even a 770 is only going to average ~45 FPS.

Nothing wrong with grabbing a 760 now, then adding a 2nd on in a year or so when it's significantly cheaper. Will play anything at completely serviceable framerates now, and then when you slap that 2nd one in that in 12 months, it'll be a beast, outperforming a titan/780Ti

Theres also a massive difference in ultra settings in most games, and going just down to "high" settings. In Bf4, the default ultra setting will be ~30fps, but only bumping down to high is going to get you up over 50FPS with a 760. At that point you're usually only talking about differences with shadow qualities and minor stuff like that, which make for HUGE performance hits for not a drastic visual difference.
 
...Nothing wrong with grabbing a 760 now, then adding a 2nd on in a year or so when it's significantly cheaper...
One important caveat to that is often times previous generation cards do not decrease much in price or their availability becomes severely limited. I've only had luck with this approach maybe a little less than half the time.

Right now this is particularly true of AMD cards due to bitcoin mining, but I've seen it happen with Nivida GPU's as well. For example I have an older 6950 2GB laying around; its not longer manufactured, and adding a second to x-fire would make it a viable setup for current 1080P gaming. But those suckers used are going for what they cost new at release.

So it is always a bit of a gamble to SLI/Xfire down the road. May work out, may not. For that reason if I SLI I do so from the beginning.
 

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I agree, SLi is usually a do it now type of thing. I'm not really keen on SLi setups but BF4 @ 5960x1080 (bezel correction) @ 60fps constant is a pain in the ass.
 

meStevo

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I dunno I have a dedicated sound card and a blu ray burner! Of course I have an i7 though. I'd never let anything AMD touch my system.
I have a Blu-Ray burner, when it sat in the box for over a year until my next build that should have been a sign I didn't need it. Oh, and for some reason I kept my old DVD drive too, you know, in case the 90s call and they want to copy a disc to another disc without swapping.

Really need to just pull both out, toss in more hard drives, and get an encosure for the 2 times a year I need to use any optical media.
 

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Looking to replace my current monitor with aNewegg.com - ASUS VG248QE Black 241 Built-in Speakers

Anyone here currently using this beast and willing to share any feedback/Experiences? More specifically, I miss the ole CRT feel of days past, how does this stack up compared to standard 60mhz refresh rate monitors in FPS Games ?

A few things I'm already aware of.
*Need to lower refresh rate for video playback down from the 144mhz to 60mhz
*Lack luster color dept due to the 6bit TN design Vs 8bit IPS Panels.

Thanks !
 

Joeboo

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I've had really good luck SLI/Crossfiring at a discount by adding a second card later. Back about 4 years ago I had an AMD 4780, it cost right about $280 new, about 14 months later I added a second for $150. Ended up using those two cards for a total of about 2.5 years. When I built my last system at the end of 2012 I bought a 3GB 660Ti for $320 at launch. Added a second one this past December for $170. I now get better benchmarks than an Nvidia Titan @ 2560x1440 resolution, and only spent $490. Those 2 cards should last me another year or two easy.

I generally works out just fine as long as you don't wait TOO long to add the second card. If the cards you are planning on using are already a year old before you even buy the first one, you're not going to have good luck. The best bet is to jump on a new card at release, and you should have no issues finding another for significantly cheaper in 12-18 months(try to time it around Black Friday/Christmas sales)
 

gogusrl

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Looking to replace my current monitor with aNewegg.com - ASUS VG248QE Black 241 Built-in Speakers

Anyone here currently using this beast and willing to share any feedback/Experiences? More specifically, I miss the ole CRT feel of days past, how does this stack up compared to standard 60mhz refresh rate monitors in FPS Games ?

A few things I'm already aware of.
*Need to lower refresh rate for video playback down from the 144mhz to 60mhz
*Lack luster color dept due to the 6bit TN design Vs 8bit IPS Panels.

Thanks !
If it works with lightboost, it's gonna be awesome. There's a lot of details hereBlur Busters | Everything Better Than 60Hz including 120Hz, 144Hz, 240Hz, LightBoost, ULMB, Turbo240, G-SYNC, and more..
 

Crone

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One important caveat to that is often times previous generation cards do not decrease much in price or their availability becomes severely limited. I've only had luck with this approach maybe a little less than half the time.

Right now this is particularly true of AMD cards due to bitcoin mining, but I've seen it happen with Nivida GPU's as well. For example I have an older 6950 2GB laying around; its not longer manufactured, and adding a second to x-fire would make it a viable setup for current 1080P gaming. But those suckers used are going for what they cost new at release.

So it is always a bit of a gamble to SLI/Xfire down the road. May work out, may not. For that reason if I SLI I do so from the beginning.
Really? I have a 6950 2gb in my machine right now, and thought it was getting kind of long in the tooth. If I can sell it back for nearly what I paid, shoot, might be worth selling and upgrading! haha!

I run I think a very typical setup.. i5-2500k, 6950 2gb, 16gb memory. Still runs everything fine for me, but I always like making upgrades!
 
Depending on your case's airflow and mobo's PCIe layout, you could possibly go with the ACX version (same price). The ACX cooler has really great thermals and acoustics, however they exhaust into your case. The above is a blower cooler which exhausts outside the case and typically would be better for an SLI setup. But its something worth checking out if you can get the better cooling and acoustical performance.
 
I've had really good luck SLI/Crossfiring at a discount by adding a second card later. Back about 4 years ago I had an AMD 4780, it cost right about $280 new, about 14 months later I added a second for $150. Ended up using those two cards for a total of about 2.5 years. When I built my last system at the end of 2012 I bought a 3GB 660Ti for $320 at launch. Added a second one this past December for $170. I now get better benchmarks than an Nvidia Titan @ 2560x1440 resolution, and only spent $490. Those 2 cards should last me another year or two easy.

I generally works out just fine as long as you don't wait TOO long to add the second card. If the cards you are planning on using are already a year old before you even buy the first one, you're not going to have good luck. The best bet is to jump on a new card at release, and you should have no issues finding another for significantly cheaper in 12-18 months(try to time it around Black Friday/Christmas sales)
That's awesome, you definitely have had great success with that approach. And I think you're right the biggest key to the 2nd card later approach is the correct timing.
 
Really? I have a 6950 2gb in my machine right now, and thought it was getting kind of long in the tooth. If I can sell it back for nearly what I paid, shoot, might be worth selling and upgrading! haha!

I run I think a very typical setup.. i5-2500k, 6950 2gb, 16gb memory. Still runs everything fine for me, but I always like making upgrades!
Yeah its definitely a card long in the tooth, but a pair in Xfire would run most games today pretty well at 1080. Just check ebay for what they end up selling for (around $200). I paid $205 for mine new years ago. And if you have an early reference model they will sell for more since with a simple BIOS upgrade they can be unlocked to a full 6970. It's not a bad idea to sell it now if you have the upgrade itch since the mining craze still puts high demand on even older AMD cards right now.
 

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Depending on your case's airflow and mobo's PCIe layout, you could possibly go with the ACX version (same price). The ACX cooler has really great thermals and acoustics, however they exhaust into your case. The above is a blower cooler which exhausts outside the case and typically would be better for an SLI setup. But its something worth checking out if you can get the better cooling and acoustical performance.
Ya, I actually linked the wrong page, meant to link this one:

Amazon.com: EVGA GeForce GTX760 w/EVGA ACX Cooler 2GB GDDR5 256bit, Dual-Link DVI-I, DVI-D, HDMI,DP, SLI Ready Graphics Card (02G-P4-2763-KR) Graphics Cards 02G-P4-2763-KR: Computers Accessories
 

Crone

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Yeah its definitely a card long in the tooth, but a pair in Xfire would run most games today pretty well at 1080. Just check ebay for what they end up selling for (around $200). I paid $205 for mine new years ago. And if you have an early reference model they will sell for more since with a simple BIOS upgrade they can be unlocked to a full 6970. It's not a bad idea to sell it now if you have the upgrade itch since the mining craze still puts high demand on even older AMD cards right now.
Pretty sure I do have an earlier one that can be unlocked into the 6970. I remember that was one of the reasons that I bought it, but never really had problems so never "upgraded" it.

So, what is the card in that price range right now? Another reason I remember buying it was that it gave huge bang for the buck. Performed really well on, at the time, benchmarks but was not nearly as expensive as a lot of other cards around the same performance.

I like to buy "efficiently" as possible I suppose you could say.
 

Joeboo

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If your budget is $150, get a 750Ti (30FPS in most modern games at normal to high settings)
If your budget is $250, get a 760 (30FPS in most modern games at high to ultra settings)
If your budget is $350, get a 770 (30 FPS on ultra, 60fps on normal to high settings)

Talking new games from the past year, BF4, Tomb Raider, Bioshock Infinite, etc. Obviously that's some really rough generalizations on benchmarks, but you kind of get the point at what the various cards will get you right now.

To get 60FPS on ultra settings in current games at 1080p, you're going to have to spend $500+ on either a 780 or above, or SLI'd 760s.
 
The ACX cooler really is terrific. The problem with them in SLI is usually your x16 slots are spaced such that these double-width cards will be sitting very close next to each other. So one card exhausting right onto the back of the PCB of another isn't great.

However, backplates help a ton, and if your case has optimized airflow its much less of an issue really. To the point where I'd rather SLI two evga's with ACX than with blower coolers.
EVGA - Products - EVGA GTX 760 Backplate - 100-BP-2761-B9
 

Crone

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If your budget is $150, get a 750Ti (30FPS in most modern games at normal to high settings)
If your budget is $250, get a 760 (30FPS in most modern games at high to ultra settings)
If your budget is $350, get a 770 (30 FPS on ultra, 60fps on normal to high settings)

Talking new games from the past year, BF4, Tomb Raider, Bioshock Infinite, etc. Obviously that's some really rough generalizations on benchmarks, but you kind of get the point at what the various cards will get you right now.

To get 60FPS on ultra settings in current games at 1080p, you're going to have to spend $500+ on either a 780 or above, or SLI'd 760s.
Joeboo you pretty much are a badass. Thanks.
 
Pretty sure I do have an earlier one that can be unlocked into the 6970. I remember that was one of the reasons that I bought it, but never really had problems so never "upgraded" it.

So, what is the card in that price range right now? Another reason I remember buying it was that it gave huge bang for the buck. Performed really well on, at the time, benchmarks but was not nearly as expensive as a lot of other cards around the same performance.

I like to buy "efficiently" as possible I suppose you could say.
joeboo has you covered for nvidia.

For AMD, you're looking at something like an r9 270/x for your $200-230 pricerange.