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Joeboo

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750Ti video card is what you want. It's only abut $20 more, and quite a bit more powerful
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Alternately, those Radeon 265s are only supposed to be an MSRP of $150, so if you can find one at that price, jump on that. AMD stock & pricing is wildly inconsistent though, it make take a lot of searching and waiting.
 
Braen

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But with the proc being 189 at MC, that is almost worth having someone buy it for you in the States and shipping it up to the Great White North
 
Abefroman

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Adebisi_sl said:
Uncle Canada has fucked me again
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How close are you to Detroit or any other Microcenter in the U.S? It might be worth a road trip just to go buy the parts or visit a Murican friend near the border if you have any and have them order everything.
 
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joeboo_sl said:
I have a Qnix 1440p IPS panel with an 8ms response time. Everything looks great, I haven't seen any motion blur. Although, I'm also not a professional FPSer or anything of that sort.
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Yeah I have a year and a half old Shimian 1440p and I've never got any blur whatsoever in any game. Maybe there is a difference between 3ms and 6-8ms, but I've never noticed any blur.
 
Hekotat

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One caveat with those monitors is you have to have a rather beefy video card to run them, especially in demanding games which you want to keep a relative good frame rate. At least a GTX 770 or a R9 280X, which are $300+ cards.
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I didn't take this into consideration, so I just got back from exchanging my 750ti for a 770. Can't wait for my monitor to show up now.
 
mkopec

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So AnandTech just published video card recommendations base around current price/performance....

AnandTech | Best Video Cards: March 2014

1080p:

*Low: Radeon R7-250X
*Medium: Radeon R7-265
*High: Radeon R9-270X

1440p:

*Medium: GeForce 770
*High: GeForce 780
*Ludicrous: GeForce 780 Ti

4K/multimonitor:

*High: 2x Radeon R9-290X CrossFire



If it wasnt for the inflated prices on the R9 280X and the r9 290X it would be almost a red team sweep.
 
Zodiac

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I have a 1440p on a GTX 780 and while I can run most games on high bouncing between 40-60 fps, ultra (max) settings on new stuff makes me drop below 30 fps pretty often. I'm tempted to get a nice fast 1080p for gaming and just slide the 1440 to the side for general use.
 
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Disp_sl said:
Yeah I have a year and a half old Shimian 1440p and I've never got any blur whatsoever in any game. Maybe there is a difference between 3ms and 6-8ms, but I've never noticed any blur.
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joeboo_sl said:
I have a Qnix 1440p IPS panel with an 8ms response time. Everything looks great, I haven't seen any motion blur. Although, I'm also not a professional FPSer or anything of that sort.
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Even 1ms of persistence with 960 pixels per second of motion @ 60 Hz will produce about 16 pixels of motion blur:

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Now multiply the above by 8. That's a lot of blur even if you're not sensitive to it.

Although its also a function of refresh rates, the primary cause is the simply the high sample and hold persistence of LCD panels. Old CRT's and Plasmas have very low pixel persistence though which is what makes them superior to LCD's for motion.

UFO Test:has a series of motion blur tests you can perform with your monitors to gauge their performance.
Blur Busters | Everything Better Than 60Hz including 120Hz, 144Hz, 240Hz, LightBoost, ULMB, Turbo240, G-SYNC, and more.has a ton more info.

The only way to truly eliminate motion blur on LCD panels is through back-light strobing which typically produces only 1 - 2 pixels worth of blur:

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Joeboo

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I have absolutely no frame of reference as to what "pixels per second" is measuring, or how that relates to frames per second or gaming in general. Can you explain that? Because I've never, ever seen anything, in any game, look that bad on even a cheap low-end monitor.
 
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I opted for the 27" Asus 3D enabled model; Sucks, it doesn't have the Vision 2 built-in like the predecessor but I can convince my brother I want it for a birthday gift, LOL. That QNIX looks badass but I'm very hesitant about overseas anything after reading some of the reviews. Sigh. I appreciate the info though, I did get a buddy to look into one at least.
 
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mkopec_sl said:
Why? what did amd do to hurt you?
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I don't feel they're worth the money the charge. The stuff that is priced right is such shitty performance it'd be no use to me. The 290x has so many tradeoffs (drivers, power, noise and especially heat) that it makes no sense to buy it over the 780.
 
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joeboo_sl said:
I have absolutely no frame of reference as to what "pixels per second" is measuring, or how that relates to frames per second or gaming in general. Can you explain that? Because I've never, ever seen anything, in any game, look that bad on even a cheap low-end monitor.
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The thing is that blur exists whether we are conscious of it or not. I suppose the best way to really illustrate it is to see the same motion tests on a display with low pixel persistence and today that would either be an old CRT or a panel with backlight strobing. However if you're not already sensitive to motion blur than its kind of like taking the Red Pill.

The Blurbusters site does a great job at explaining the fundamentals, and the types of motion blur artifacts and their causes, so I would refer you there. But basically pixels per second would be an object, in this example the UFO, moving across the frame at a rate of 960 pixels each second. Click theUFO Test: Framerateslink. There are several tests you can run to help you both understand the principles better as well as gauge the performance of your panel. In the default test, there is a drop-down box named "Speed". You can choose 960 pixels per second to see exactly how fast that would be in gaming terms, either as objects moving across the screen, or panning your camera around.

UFO Test: Framerates
UFO Test: Eyetracking
UFO Test: Vertical Text
UFO Test: Marquee
UFO Test: Black Frame Insertion
UFO Test: Stutter
 
Joeboo

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I would also assume a lot of it would have to do with your screen resolution vs viewing distance in regards to if you can even make out individual pixels or not. I game on a 27" 1440p monitor and I can't see individual pixels from the 18-24 inches away that I sit, so I guess the blur would have to be pretty extreme to notice it. The lower the resolution and the closer you are the more noticeable it would be, I would assume.

that will probably be one of the advantages of moving on up to 4K resolutions here in the next few years. You'll never come close to seeing individual pixels at a computer desk distance, much less viewing on an actual TV from 6+ feet away.

We've all seen the resolution vs viewing distance charts in regards to what the average human eye can perceive, I'd love to see those charts with a 3rd set of data as to what the smallest pixel or grouping of pixels is that you can detect from a certain distance. For instance, while I may not be able to detect individual pixels in my 1440p monitor, I'm curious as to whether I can detect a 2x2 pixel block, or only 4x4 or whatever.
 
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ThunderCougarFalconBird_sl

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Inque_sl said:
I opted for the 27" Asus 3D enabled model; Sucks, it doesn't have the Vision 2 built-in like the predecessor but I can convince my brother I want it for a birthday gift, LOL. That QNIX looks badass but I'm very hesitant about overseas anything after reading some of the reviews. Sigh. I appreciate the info though, I did get a buddy to look into one at least.
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That's a really great performing monitor I think you'll be pleased. It won't have the colors of an IPS but those newer TN, especially the newer ASUS models which I believe are using Samsung panels, are getting quite good at color and contrast. But of course its also very fast and has Nvidia Lightboost... which means, you can try out the Lightboost / ToastyX app to tweak backlight strobing and virtually eliminate motion blur at the cost of some brightness.

LightBoost HOWTO | Blur Busters

 
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