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Joeboo

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So I am trying to build a computer for my Dad, but I need some advice on cpu/ram/motherboard/video card. He wants to be able to play games, but it definitely doesn't need to be top of the line. I'd like it to last for a while, but he usually lags a few years behind on games and such. No overclocking necessary, just a solid set up that will last 3 to 4 years and play games at decent quality. I've always built my own computers, but always go for power on a budget so I don't know where to start for this kind of build.
Budget? Would $1000 work? Thats about the sweet spot for a good, solid gaming PC nowadays. Does he need a monitor too?
 

Zodiac

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Headphones that have 10 tiny fucking speakers suck balls. Virtual surround is the only way to go when it comes to gaming with headphones. For your computer, make sure your PC is set to 5.1 and let your Sound Blaster Z do it's thing.

FYI, to use those A40s + surround with your PS4 you need to have some type of amp astro sells separately.
 

Utnayan

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Headphones that have 10 tiny fucking speakers suck balls. Virtual surround is the only way to go when it comes to gaming with headphones. For your computer, make sure your PC is set to 5.1 and let your Sound Blaster Z do it's thing.

FYI, to use those A40s + surround with your PS4 you need to have some type of amp astro sells separately.
Ok cool. I'll do that. I ended up buying that Sony Gold headset which works with my PS3 and PS4 with virtual surround. That will get me by. Was really looking for the headset only because of PS4 multiplayer games with voice, but more importantly, I have my PS3 now upstairs in the bedroom and it would be fun to play with some decent sound without waking up my wife haha
 

LiquidDeath

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Budget? Would $1000 work? Thats about the sweet spot for a good, solid gaming PC nowadays. Does he need a monitor too?
I have the case/psu/ssd/monitor/keyboard/dvd/etc. The parts I listed are really all I need advice on and I'd prefer to keep those parts below $500. If that is unreasonable, the closest number to that is fine.
 

Joeboo

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I have the case/psu/ssd/monitor/keyboard/dvd/etc. The parts I listed are really all I need advice on and I'd prefer to keep those parts below $500. If that is unreasonable, the closest number to that is fine.
Use this as a starting point:
Intel Core i5-4670K, PowerColor Radeon R9 280 - System Build - PCPartPicker

If you have access to a Microcenter store near you, you can probably get that CPU and Motherboard for $50 less than what is listed there. Microcenter gives an instant $40 off when you buy any CPU + motherboard, and their CPUs in-store are always cheaper, at least $10, maybe as much as $30-$40.

You could easily get that overall cost down below $500 if you have access to a Microcenter(actual brick & mortar store, their website does not have those deals)

That 280 video card is going to be solid at 1080p gaming for another couple years. It'll run new games on ultra/high right now just fine, and if you dad really is behind by a few years the card should last him fine even longer than that, maybe more like 3-4 years.
 

LiquidDeath

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Next question for the board:

How different are last year's i5 processors from this year's? If they aren't too different, I'd like to save a bit going for last year's technology but if they are quite different then I'll stop being a cheap bastard.
 

Joeboo

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This years have better integrated graphics, if you ever might need that some point(nice if your video card dies and you have to run on integrated graphics while waiting on a replacement), but other than that, if you can save a few bucks, I probably would. I still have the 3rd gen i5, and i5 3570k, and it's great for gaming, and overclocks super easy as well if you are in to that.

Basically, each gen of I5/i7 processor has gotten progressively more energy efficient, better integrated Intel HD graphics, but harder to overclock(not more difficult to OC, just harder to push as high). Pure bottom-line performance has basically not changed as far as gaming is concerned. An i5 2500k(2 generations ago) is almost the exact same performance-wise in gaming as a current gen i5 4670k
 

LiquidDeath

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This years have better integrated graphics, if you ever might need that some point(nice if your video card dies and you have to run on integrated graphics while waiting on a replacement), but other than that, if you can save a few bucks, I probably would. I still have the 3rd gen i5, and i5 3570k, and it's great for gaming, and overclocks super easy as well if you are in to that.

Basically, each gen of I5/i7 processor has gotten progressively more energy efficient, better integrated Intel HD graphics, but harder to overclock. Pure bottom-line performance has basically not changed as far as gaming is concerned. An i5 2500k(2 generations ago) is almost the exact same performance-wise in gaming as a current gen i5 4670k
Thanks again!
 

LiquidDeath

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Also, fuck Newegg.

They have stopped offering free shipping on most of their deals so that they can push their "Newegg Premier" service that is basically an Amazon Prime equivalent. Also, they have taken on the super annoying habit of offering far fewer straight discounts and instead implementing a stupid mail-in rebate system. I guess the good times couldn't last forever, but it is really disappointing that Newegg is changing into just another TigerDirect/Buy.com/etc.
 

Joeboo

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Damn, Nvidia 880 with 8GB of VRAM. That won't be cheap

with a November-ish release, this Black Friday/Cyber Monday should be great for getting older-gen cards at cheap clearance prices.
 

Mire_sl

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Damn, Nvidia 880 with 8GB of VRAM. That won't be cheap

with a November-ish release, this Black Friday/Cyber Monday should be great for getting older-gen cards at cheap clearance prices.
Kinda disappointing that's it still on 28nm. We need to see some numbers. I hope we'll get more than a 10-15% increase but 50% is asking a bit much. NEED. TO. SEE. NUMBERS.
 

Joeboo

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Yeah, I guess the 20nm is still a ways away, they just can't get enough boards that work properly at that size for a full launch of a new generation of cards.
 

Crone

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Damn, Nvidia 880 with 8GB of VRAM. That won't be cheap

with a November-ish release, this Black Friday/Cyber Monday should be great for getting older-gen cards at cheap clearance prices.
This is music to my ears.

If you were to speculate, what is going to be the best deals around then? GTX 770's? Cheap 280x's? Or huge discounts on 780's?
 

Joeboo

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It's usually a long time before you see the top of the line previous gen card discounted heavily. 580s and 680s really never got too cheap before they were discontinued, so I wouldn't expect to see great deals on 780/780Tis anytime soon. 770s and 760s may drop pretty nicely though.

For example, my 3GB 660Ti was $330 at launch in fall of 2012. Come fall of 2013 when 700-series cards were all available and 660Tis had been discontinued, I was able to snag a 2nd for $190.

4GB 770s are currently ~$375, I wouldn't be surprised if you could get one for $250-$275 on a deal this holiday season after all the 800s are out

2GB 760s are currently ~$250, I'd expect to be able to find some for maybe $175ish this fall
 

Crone

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Awesome. I'd imagine leading up to then, there might be discounts all along. Will have to keep an eye out. I'm still leaning towards the 770, so that's the card I'll be looking for.
 

Joeboo

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Definitely check slickdeals daily, a lot of those sales, especially once cards go on clearance or are discontinued, come and go fast, sometimes in under 24 hours.
 

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Yeah cards dont really discount until they are like obsoleted by 2-3 generations. they just make new more expensive ones, lol.
 

Intrinsic

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Hmm not that I expect a black friday deal on a brand new product, but depending on pricing might consider eBay'ing my two 670s and just going one 880. Will have to wait for the Anand review.