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I think the 1060 is a waste of money for what you get. I'd rather have an RX480 if we're looking at that price range.

Anyway, I just built one of these for a coworker and they're absolutely fucking in love with it.

Could have easily gone with the i5, but I wouldn't change much about the rest of it.
 
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1060 is a good value, IMHO. It outperforms a 480 (and the 970) more often than not.

At Tomshardware, the 480 won the Hitman & Ashes of Singularity benchmark, and then the 1060 won the Metro: Last Light, Project Cars, Rise of the Tomb Raider, The division, Witcher 3, Battlefield 4, GTA5, etc. You get the point.

GeForce 1060 Ashes of the Singularity, Battlefield & GTA V

I'd take a 1060 all day long over a 480, unless the 480 was like $50 cheaper(which it isn't, they're right about the same price)
 
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Ok so contemplating an upgrade. It's been almost 5 years.

Current rig is a 2500k OC'd to 4.5 ghz - 8 Gb Ram, 770 GTX 4gb card. (Upgraded the video card about 2-3 years ago)

Next rip I am considering is pretty much what Mist posted with a few replacements. 6700k 4.0 ghz, Asrock board, 16 Gb Ram, GTX 1070. I have 2 24" Dell IPS 1200p LED's which hold at 60 hz.

Thoughts on the improvement in games such as WoW, Witcher 3, and other high end games? I know I will see some, but I am also wondering if it won't be that large of an improvement since I am at 1200p and not running 4k.
 
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You'll definitely see an emprovement, even with 1200p @60hz.

I can't imagine that your 770 is keeping games like Witcher 3 or Fallout 4 or Battlefield 4 at max ultra settings at a consistent 60fps.

That rig is going to be overkill for WOW, and any other games that are 4-5 years old or more, but you'll definitely get a more consistently smooth play experience in newer games, you'll stay above 60fps most of the time, and almost never dip down under 30fps
 
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Yeah. I think the biggest thing here is should I just upgrade the video card? Or do the whole smash? Will a 2500k bottleneck the 1070?
 
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Ok so sounds like maybe keep everything and just upgrade the card. I do have a failing hard drive too so I was going to take out my two mechanical drives and replace it with a 4tb 7200 Sata 3. My OS and a few games ride on my 256gb SSD. Will be remaining at 1200p. Dust it all off. Maybe do a clean OS install because previously I just upgraded from 7 to 10.
 
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Your 2500k isn't going to bottleneck you drastically in most games, especially if you have it overclocked to 4.3-4.5ghz or more.

Very few games are very CPU dependent(ARMA 3, newer Battlefield games, several MMOs like Elder Scrolls online, Guild Wars 2, etc)

I'd say in most average games, you might see a 10-20% FPS increase going from a 2500k to a brand new i5 6600k (assuming equal clock speeds), whereas an upgrade of only your GPU from a 770 to 1070 is going to be like a 150-200% increase in performance. It'll be pretty incrdible.

So then the question becomes, do you build an entirely new system so you can capture that extra 10-20% performance for the new CPU, or would you be happy with a 150% performance increase from just the GPU upgrade?

So, $400 video card upgrade = 200% performance gain
$1200 new system build = 20% more performance gain at best
 
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Joeboo said:
Your 2500k isn't going to bottleneck you drastically in most games, especially if you have it overclocked to 4.3-4.5ghz or more.

Very few games are very CPU dependent(ARMA 3, newer Battlefield games, several MMOs like Elder Scrolls online, Guild Wars 2, etc)

I'd say in most average games, you might see a 10-20% FPS increase going from a 2500k to a brand new i5 6600k (assuming equal clock speeds), whereas an upgrade of only your GPU from a 770 to 1070 is going to be like a 150-200% increase in performance. It'll be pretty incrdible.

So then the question becomes, do you build an entirely new system so you can capture that extra 10-20% performance for the new CPU, or would you be happy with a 150% performance increase from just the GPU upgrade?

So, $400 video card upgrade = 200% performance gain
$1200 new system build = 20% more performance gain at best
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Yeah I just want to be able to hit 60 FPS in ultra settings (Locking at 60hz because anything above that I get screen tearing anyway without vSync on) at 1200p. So sounds like the best best is just the GPU upgrade at this point and save the cash.
 
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I think Toshiba drives are pretty solid. I always try to stick to the Toshiba, Hitachi, or Western Digital end of the spectrum on mechanical drives. Just stay the hell away from Seagate/Maxtor(I've had more of those fail in the past few decades than any other brands by FAR)

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Now I am considering a new 24" IPS G-Sync Monitor when I will undoubtedly be able to go beyond 60 fps in some games like Overwatch. Anyone here use G-Sync a lot?
 
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Now I am considering a new 24" IPS G-Sync Monitor when I will undoubtedly be able to go beyond 60 fps in some games like Overwatch. Anyone here use G-Sync a lot?
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Come to think of it, I'm not even sure what gsync does. Maybe I should just grab a good 144hz IPS display. Or just leave it with what I have at 60hz and keep vsync enabled to stop tearing over 60 frames?
 
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With gsync you will not see tearing until you're under 30 frames. You will not notice sudden, brief framerate dips as much either, because you will not lose those 'in between' frames.
 
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Everything I've read from people not trying to justify their spending suggests that G Sync is a win-more technology that isn't really necessary and overly costly compared to what was supposed to be open standards and ATI brands as Freesync. Essentially G Sync alleviates tearing from changes in frame rates that traditional V sync doesn't handle as well.

Tl;DR, it's not worth the money over refresh rate, panel type or resolution upgrades. I myself would probably get one anyway if I could because why not, except that finding a 1440P 144hz+ IPS panel is hard enough and drops to two choices that are pricey if you try and tack on G Sync in addition.
 
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Ok so what I will do is the 1070 GTX upgrade with the 4 TB HD, wipe and reload WIndows 10 on my SSD because I did an upgrade the first time and it seems to run sort of sluggish, dust out everything inside and clean it up, and use my 2 Dell 24" IPS's until they fail and just use vsync at 60 fps because I love the way those two monitors look, and the one I looked at 27" IPS 144 hz was something ridiculous like $1,249.

Thanks all!
 
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