Diablo 3 - Reaper of Souls

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Mr Creed

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That the Blizzard guy wants it to be "nice for T10" wank builds is lame imo. That's grift 40 or so? Looking at the current season and that they'll push those limits by 10-20 for the coming season as they always do, the goal for this set shouldn't be fucking grift 40 viable. There's no target audience for it because new chars have no ancients and grift pushers don't bother with a slow T10 build. And being "nice for T10" means it's too slow. Do you want your bot to take 2 minutes more per rift? 7 minutes instead of 5 minutes over 8 hours means 30ish fewer rift keys when you wake up.

Comparing to the current live season I would say having the 'no sets' set viable for grift 50-60 would be nice... so 75-80 for next season under the assumption that the average sets push past 80 and the developer favorite of the season ends up 100+. What would that be, somewhere between 200 and 300% per ancient item?
 

Pyros

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They didn't say they're balancing it for T10. If they did want that, they'd just nerf it way more. They said they want it to be competitive with sets, just not outright better, and that if they succeed in doing that, you'll also be able to make large variety of T10 viable builds on it since it offers a lot more freedom than sets.

And 100% is actually not far off, when considering full ancients. Most sets provide 800 to 1500% damage, then some side stuff like utility or making some non viable skills into spammable skills(like natalya with RoV) and then some damage reduction. They're then supported by a couple of key legendaries that reinforce the build's strength. At 100%, you're within the acceptable damage boost(1200-1300% with full ancients), and the additional legendary affixes are supposed to let you balance out F+R or whatever other legendaries you have. Stuff like Cindercoat, Tasker and Theo, Depth Diggers and such are extremely potent legendaries that don't see a lot of use in normal builds due to the requirement of having 6pc, quite often without RoRG(so you can F+R and cube unity or CoE, or do an obisidian+unity+CoE combo and so on).

I think maybe they'll need to boost the damage a bit more due to F+R balancing, but they shouldn't be that far off I'd say. If the build can clear 75 as you said, then it's good enough, it doesn't need to do really much more. That's way above T10, that's basically when farming T10 is viable actually, since it means you'll mow down T10 just as fast as any other difficulty.
 

Deathwing

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So, I rerolled a monk on seasonal thinking it would be easier(less boring?) than farming ancient pieces on my WD to eak out those last few GR levels. So, instead, I'm now stuck on GR 55(and a slower time) instead of GR 57 and mad at myself for thinking it would be any better. Farming for ancient armor pieces is so fucking boring. Ancient weapons is kinda boring too but the jump in power usually makes it worth the random wait.

The game has a nice amount progression up through about GR 50 - 55. But once you get your sets, ancient weapons, and gems leveled, shit stagnates real bad. There needs to be a more reliable way to ancientify something so people can feel like they're making progressing instead of tossing tens of thousands of shards at kadala and winding up with nothing. Also, fuck classes that don't have on-demand mobility. U6 and In-Geom is so damn fun for farming T8, it makes that last leg of slogging through GRs even worse.

Has anyone tried the SC monk(solo) build? Supposedly it's really powerful but I really miss Cyclone Strike and I'm having trouble applying static charge efficiently, noticing it's applied to a bunch of mobs, and then abusing it correctly with FoF.
 

Deathwing

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Gave another attempt at finishing up my season journey.

GR58 with U6, ~20s remaining.
GR59 attempt #1, FoT:SC and WoTHF:FoF, over by 57s.
GR59 attempt #2, 2 minutes remaining.
GR60 attempt #1, 4 minutes remaining!

lol map/mob rng.

Just need to do the T10 rift in under 3 minutes. This doesn't look likely solo, but finding a group for this is proving...trying. Is there a community specifically for this?
 

slippery

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Gave another attempt at finishing up my season journey.

GR58 with U6, ~20s remaining.
GR59 attempt #1, FoT:SC and WoTHF:FoF, over by 57s.
GR59 attempt #2, 2 minutes remaining.
GR60 attempt #1, 4 minutes remaining!

lol map/mob rng.

Just need to do the T10 rift in under 3 minutes. This doesn't look likely solo, but finding a group for this is proving...trying. Is there a community specifically for this?
yes, though I don't remember what it is called. Try the achievement hunters community or something like that
 

Pyros

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Should be soloable with monk with In Geom, but it takes a ton of fishing. Doing it in a group also requires fishing, just less so.
 

Deathwing

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I tried In-Geom, wasn't getting good results. I really want to kick myself because I was just dicking around and opened a rift and let it sit for a while before entering it. Turns out it was the sub 3 minute rift I need. Dash - punch - SSS, repeat.

Out of In-Geom, Flow of Eternity, Lion's Claw, and Fist of Az'turrasq, which one do you cut for speed rifting T10? Without Lion's Claw and Fist, killing elite's does not seem fast enough to utilize the In-Geom buff consistently. And obviously, since you can only cube Flow, you have to dequip Lion's Claw or Fist to use In-Geom. Or uncube Flow.


I really hope next season's journey smooths out the last leg. Up until GR60 solo and T10 under 3 minutes(which might have been easier earlier in the season), the amount of time required to complete the steps for each journey was really good and matched up really well with small farming sessions to improve gear. Some of them were a bit tedious, like if you decided to do 6 gems to 50 as one of your conquests. But I give that one a pass because even though it's longer, gem leveling is quite easy to measure how long it will take.
 

Arcaus_sl

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Instead of doing T10 in under 3 minutes, do the bosses. Get a chicken build doctor to do the long runs, have everyone else do the short ones. Note you need to be in the boss fight to get credit for the achieve.
 

Pyros

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Instead of doing T10 in under 3 minutes, do the bosses. Get a chicken build doctor to do the long runs, have everyone else do the short ones. Note you need to be in the boss fight to get credit for the achieve.
You need T10 in 3mins for the last step, it's not a conquest. The conquest is T10 is 2mins, and it's a pointless one since there's many conquests. They're different things(and obviously the actual objective being 3mins instead of 2 is a ton easier, but still annoying).
 

Deathwing

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Finally completed my season journey and beat Diablo. GR60 solo and T10 under 3 minutes can go fuck themselves. Though, that last one probably wasn't difficult for most people, I just prefer to play solo if possible.

Season 5 journey if anyone is interested:

PTR 2.4/S5 Season Journey - accumulated information thread : Diablo

Power creep should make the last legs more manageable this time around. Can't decide on Barb, DH, or Crusader.
 

Arcaus_sl

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Getting 3 of those conquests are going to be the hardest part. Complete the campaign in an hour? Like even if you can do it on normal that's a lot of ground to cover. 50 million gold streak not in the vault? That requires a lot of gold find gear for sure. Master 8 set dungeons means you need to have at least two classes with full sets that are good enough to do those dungeons? That seems like a huge grind unless you can do the same set dungeon 8 times. Clearing GR55 with 6 different sets is going to require multiple characters and 3 friends who are geared out but might be the easiest of the bunch.

GR60 solo wasn't that hard. You just had to fish for the right rift and be paragon 575-600ish. Some classes were easier then others. I was playing Whirlwind which was one of the easiest specs to do it so I may be biased.
 

Pyros

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Clearing the campaign is mostly gonna be a team thing. You need people spreading out to find next place and shit and use teleports around. I don't think it's doable solo, back during first season I did a lot of story farming with my DH and Danetta's set(which is among the highest sustained speed in the game) and I don't think it was anything close. Unless they mean each act under an hour, but everything under an hour seems pretty crazy. If it's each act though it's pretty easy, just need a bunch of speed, most classes can do it.

GR45 with no set is easy, even if they remove the 2piece sets. Mostly it's stacking a bunch of legendaries and using certain builds with lots of elemental stuff, but with all the new powerful legendaries, it should be no problem, especially with the new main stat scaling mechanic with legendary gems.

Master 8dungeons is also super easy, though it requires leveling an alt and playing it for a while to get full sets.

Clear GR55 with 6 sets is similar, you need 2 classes, but if you can do one you can do the other pretty much. It's easy to do GR55 with 6pc sets and other basic stuff.

Finally gold one is easy if you just use the greed legendary gem, especially with pets picking up gold. You just need to rift with it for a while and you'll get it on T10 on large maps especially with a gold goblin. That or a bandit shrine with several gold goblins, or a goblin pack rift.

So you have 3 conquests that can be done without alts, but one of them looks ridiculously annoying unless you do a full group with smart people(story in under an hour), however if you do bother leveling an alt and playing it for a while, you'd easily do the alt based conquests.

With 2 more stash slots, I think it'd be viable to play 2 classes, or more.
 

Arcaus_sl

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How difficult is "Master a Set Dungeon"? Does your set need to be rolled well? Set Dungeons are solo right so you can't gimp people through?
 

Pyros

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How difficult is "Master a Set Dungeon"? Does your set need to be rolled well? Set Dungeons are solo right so you can't gimp people through?
Set dungeons are scaled like shit and basically if you can enter, you can do them. Some require you to do stupid shit like group up mobs before you blow them up or just stand there and get yourself killed(with firebird) and so on. You can kinda read the conquest as "Gather 8 full class sets". Doing GR55 is actually harder than that, but not that much I'd say. With like 400-500paragon and some legendary gem main stat buffing on some ancients and a bit of fishing you could fairly easily do that too with all the power creep. Hell it's not even solo, so you could just equip your set and join a friend who carries you in a 2minutes GR55 clear if he's geared for ~80, rotate 6sets and done.
 

Arcaus_sl

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Yeah, the "do GR 55" seems pretty easy other then spending the time collecting sets. This season I was pugging GR55 with ease and in a group it was a cake walk. In typical Diablo fashion the power creep will be real so I am sure we will be pugging 65's and laughing.

That kind of sucks to hear about the master set dungeons. I was hoping they would be tough but I guess it makes the achievement easier. It seems like they are really pushing this dual class thing.
 

moonarchia

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I don't see myself finishing the season journey in S4. Just too much fishing and slogging to it. Hopefully S5 is more fun in that regard.
 

Pyros

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I don't see myself finishing the season journey in S4. Just too much fishing and slogging to it. Hopefully S5 is more fun in that regard.
I don't think it had a lot of fishing or was really that long. Maybe it's a class thing but I played WD and the only fishing I had to do was for T10 in under 3minutes which I did solo, took me about 2hours of resetting games to find the right one, could have gotten it faster with a group but meh. Everything else was fairly straightforward. I mean you do need to grind like 60-80hours to get the gear to do GR60 but that's kinda expected.
 

Mr Creed

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I made a DH for this season. Yea, dumb idea I guess but that bow looked sweet. I guess wrapping up the season journey on DH involves more work then starting a WD/Barb just for grift 60 (DH kinda plateaus at low 50s for me).
 

Nirgon

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DH really sucks atm

Pretty frustrating farming off season with the once ownage gear/paragon I had before