Diablo 3 - Reaper of Souls

Xevy · May 20, 2014

Sir Funk_sl said:
OWE is awesome because the monk set items suck so you end up just crafting everything and can pretty easily dictate the resist on your gear. Its only the head/amulet/rings that are a pain in the ass.

Pro tip: Aim for poison resistance because there's a 90% chance of using Andariel's at end game.

Disp_sl · May 20, 2014

Deathwing_sl said:
Life steal is gone,

I just got the expansion this weekend and haven't read up on all the patch notes. Looking at one from February it seems like life on hit only gives 10% of the actual number now, is that correct? So 5000 life on hit will only actually tap 500 if I'm understanding right?

Sir Funk · May 20, 2014

Ehhh idk about 90% chance. If you are going lightning and want to use Thundergods you can get 300 Lightning resist from that one item alone!

Also, I think using Gyana Na Kashu or Kekegi's is more likely than Andarial's for monk builds anyway.

Deathwing · May 20, 2014

khorum_sl said:
Yeah anyone in or even just observing a T6 pullmonk group can't honestly describe the monk's role as any type of "bitch". For the longest time you couldn't even clear T6 rifts within 20mins without an ep monk. EP monks remain the core of every farm group I've been in... closest thing I've seen to "bitches" would be saders for their law auras and undergeared WDs slotting BBV for the invite.

So, you're saying monks can solo clear T6 with the same speed and survivability as other non-dex classes?

Disp_sl said:
I just got the expansion this weekend and haven't read up on all the patch notes. Looking at one from February it seems like life on hit only gives 10% of the actual number now, is that correct? So 5000 life on hit will only actually tap 500 if I'm understanding right?

No, life steal is gone. LoH is unchanged.

Xevy · May 20, 2014

Sir Funk_sl said:
Ehhh idk about 90% chance. If you are going lightning and want to use Thundergods you can get 300 Lightning resist from that one item alone!

Also, I think using Gyana Na Kashu or Kekegi's is more likely than Andarial's for monk builds anyway.

Kekegi's, maybe. GNK, I'd doubt it. SoH makes GNK pretty pointless. 250% and scaler on EVERY lightning attack vs 400% scalar on only fire LTK. Except with SoH you also get Odyn Son and it's BiS proc whereas with fire you get Burning Axe of SansDPS or Devastator. OS + SOH >>>>> GNK.

Amzin · May 20, 2014

Xevy_sl said:
Disagree. People who aren't monks already think OWE is God's gift. Making every secondary resist is fucktardedly overpowered. Most monks would be sitting on around 1500+ all resists without even trying. STI needs to be boosted where a 8k+ dex monk can have 10k armor reasonably without having to sacrifice primaries for +armor, but even then that means 2 out of 4 of our passives are locked into STI and OWE. I don't mind sacrificing one passive 100% of the time to play my character, but deciding whether it's combo strike/unity/chant of resonance for my two passives and nothing else kind of pisses me off. It'd be great to be able to use mythic rhythm or momentum or beacon of ytar. But nope.

How would it be fucktardedly overpowered? It would be numerically EXACTLY the same as it is now, you just don't have to completely alter how you treat all loot you find for one fucking required passive. There is no other class in the game where there's a passive THAT mandatory and THAT taxing. The fact that it's both is the problem. Either make it mandatory and easy, or not mandatory and specialized.

Deathwing · May 20, 2014

Xevy_sl said:
Kekegi's, maybe. GNK, I'd doubt it. SoH makes GNK pretty pointless. 250% and scaler on EVERY lightning attack vs 400% scalar on only fire LTK. Except with SoH you also get Odyn Son and it's BiS proc whereas with fire you get Burning Axe of SansDPS or Devastator. OS + SOH >>>>> GNK.

The mechanics of the procs cannot be that simplified. GNK is a piercing AE fireball that hits the immediate target twice and procs every LTK(which is every attack if you go that build). SoH does not proc every attack and the bolts don't pierce.

Xevy · May 20, 2014

Deathwing_sl said:
The mechanics of the procs cannot be that simplified. GNK is a piercing AE fireball that hits the immediate target twice and procs every LTK(which is every attack if you go that build). SoH does not proc every attack and the bolts don't pierce.

On single targets SoH procs can all three hit at the same time. 750% dmg is pretty close to 800% dmg. Then factor in OS's weird fucking proc and that's some serious face melt. The only thing that might bring GNK fire build over SOH is the fire synergy on Inner Fire.

I have two monks. One with BiS fire (except my second fucking RoRG) and one with BiS lightning. I can tell you from my experience that fire sounds better on paper than it plays out. The stun from LTK saves your bacon in T4+ as well as synergizing with shit like Vaxos is awesome.

Deathwing · May 20, 2014

Well, yeah, just say stuns then and be done with it. To be fair, I think end game fire monks use Sankis and Sun Keeper.

Did they change Odyn Son? I used it at 60 and to I don't remember it proccing on single targets. And certainly not for the damage I've been seeing claimed.

The Ancient_sl · May 20, 2014

nm dumb question.

Deathwing · May 20, 2014

Yes, maybe more so.

The Ancient_sl · May 20, 2014

Yeah, I forgot armor applies to everything.

Pyros · May 20, 2014

They said they're improving monks, not just the sets. In fact in the sets list half of them aren't even monks sets(the DH set that's not marauder/natalya, firebird and one of the warrior set iirc).

Quote for emphasis. Note that it's not really monk specific though:

That said, while 2.0.5 didn't include many changes to Monks, it doesn't mean we feel there isn't room for improvement (or that your feedback has fallen on deaf ears). Instead, we have many changes planned for patch 2.1.0, which is our first big content patch for Reaper of Souls and first big opportunity to do some meaningful evaluations for each class, Monk included.

Our future goals for the Monk in 2.1.0 focus improving core class attributes, class abilities, and addressing Legendaries that need improvement. You should all be able to see (and test out) these changes soonT on the 2.1.0 PTR once its live. (Note: Initially, the PTR will not have all the changes we want to do for 2.1.0, but as the PTR progresses, more changes will be added. Also note that we do not have an ETA for the 2.1.0 PTR at this time.)

Xevy · May 20, 2014

They ninja fixed it. So now it can proc all three hits on a single target. For me that's about 18-25 million damage.

Odyn Son does scale with lightning but the proc formula is something fucked up like:

110*APS*(1 + CC*CD)

So for me it's 110 * 2 * (3.5) = 770% ish weapon damage per proc tick. Three total ticks per proc.

AKA a buttfuck ton of damage.

Szeth · May 20, 2014

Xevy_sl said:
They ninja fixed it. So now it can proc all three hits on a single target. For me that's about 18-25 million damage.

Odyn Son does scale with lightning but the proc formula is something fucked up like:

110*APS*(1 + CC*CD)

So for me it's 110 * 2 * (3.5) = 770% ish weapon damage per proc tick. Three total ticks per proc.

AKA a buttfuck ton of damage.

Still haven't seen an OS =/ Rocking WKL and Tfury is nice and all but gimme dat beat stick Rngeesus

Sir Funk · May 20, 2014

My intention is to do something like this:Monk - Game Guide - Diablo III

Magefist/SoH+OS/3 Piece Lightning Raiment/GNK/Haunt of Vaxo +Lightning Damage everywhere other than Magefist

Can keep the 20% damage boost from Unity up at all times. Should do a lot of single target damage with LTK+GNK+Inner Fire procs. Add in EP and BOOM!

Xevy · May 20, 2014

That's close to what I do, but I said fuck GNK. I haven't gotten either pair of set legs to drop. Ideally scales will drop so I can switch out Raiment from elsewhere. Probably boots for Firewalkers or Illusory or Ice Climbers if I start gambling those.

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Needless · May 20, 2014

So.. what build are those rocking gryfalcon / jekangbord, using? I tried swapping to it after i found my gryfalcon last night but i don't really like how you virtually rely on holding left click and popping a couple cooldowns every ~15 seconds.
Not having a real spender is suuuuper boring

moonarchia · May 20, 2014

Bragon_sl said:
Yall could generate drama in hello kitty online. Fucking shameful crap.

I would subscribe to that just to watch.

Vinyard_sl · May 20, 2014

Welp. Buddy got an Odyn to drop so he gave it to me. Tried out lightning barb and I hated it.

Got a royal ring of grandeur so I tried leapquake barb WITH perma cota, and it was boring. Tried just leapquake and it was boring.

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