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are sorcerers the most frustrating class? i was looking up other builds, considering various options that use different rotations and are either more shard/blizzard/teleport focused. then i talk to a friend that has a warrior, he just smashes his 3 roar skills(?) and hold whirlwind until the dungeon is clear including face tanking butcher. then I talk to my brother who plays a druid on console and he smashes 3 buttons and moves 1 joystick until the dungeon is clear. I feel like sorcs are the only ones that spam their pots and get randomly 1 shot

can't wait till season 1 when I try a new class. trying to decide best class that will partner with a rogue

Season 2 will be the time to roll a Sorcerer. They'll have their Season 1 buffs plus resistances should be fixed.

fris said:

are sorcerers the most frustrating class? i was looking up other builds, considering various options that use different rotations and are either more shard/blizzard/teleport focused. then i talk to a friend that has a warrior, he just smashes his 3 roar skills(?) and hold whirlwind until the dungeon is clear including face tanking butcher. then I talk to my brother who plays a druid on console and he smashes 3 buttons and moves 1 joystick until the dungeon is clear. I feel like sorcs are the only ones that spam their pots and get randomly 1 shot

can't wait till season 1 when I try a new class. trying to decide best class that will partner with a rogue

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Comparison is the thief of joy.

My sorc is lvl 78 now, I have not run into any problems. Yes, he's squishy, yes I die probably more than other classes would, but I don't have any problems clearing content so far. I'm sure as I get higher it will get even more difficult, but honestly death penalty is almost zero, just the run back time sucks. It's probably not as mindless as other classes, I have to time my cooldowns carefully, aim teleport effectively, learn how to bounce in and out of packs....but is that necessarily a bad thing? Keeps my mind more engaged.

I am looking forward to trying out a different class for Season 1 though. Originally I was going druid, but I just rolled a HC druid to see how far I could get, so I think for S1 I will try rogue or necro.

Rogue is the only thing I’ve played to “endgame”. I can recommend it at a thoroughly fun class. Think I’m going Barb for Season 1.

Hmm I want something that doesn't rely on resource so heavily. That shit sucked for druid and I hear sorc can be just as bad?

How is ranged rogue or necro bonespirit/spear in that regard?

fris said:

are sorcerers the most frustrating class? i was looking up other builds, considering various options that use different rotations and are either more shard/blizzard/teleport focused. then i talk to a friend that has a warrior, he just smashes his 3 roar skills(?) and hold whirlwind until the dungeon is clear including face tanking butcher. then I talk to my brother who plays a druid on console and he smashes 3 buttons and moves 1 joystick until the dungeon is clear. I feel like sorcs are the only ones that spam their pots and get randomly 1 shot

can't wait till season 1 when I try a new class. trying to decide best class that will partner with a rogue

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Necro "best" build (Bone Spear) is super squishy too, but necro can fall back onto a couple very tanky/pet tank builds, that just don't clear as fast.

fris said:

are sorcerers the most frustrating class? i was looking up other builds, considering various options that use different rotations and are either more shard/blizzard/teleport focused. then i talk to a friend that has a warrior, he just smashes his 3 roar skills(?) and hold whirlwind until the dungeon is clear including face tanking butcher. then I talk to my brother who plays a druid on console and he smashes 3 buttons and moves 1 joystick until the dungeon is clear. I feel like sorcs are the only ones that spam their pots and get randomly 1 shot

can't wait till season 1 when I try a new class. trying to decide best class that will partner with a rogue

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Rogue and sorc are similar in that sense. You're popping potions. Difference is you can play rogue at a very high skill level and avoid or build out of being a potion guzzler.

That's what I told my guildmate the other day for S1. Not really excited about it--- but I'll roll a barb or druid no problem for the autocruise AFK style gameplay that come along with those classes. If you aren't that into S1, and don't want to put it a lot into it, those are the two picks I'd recommend.

Crippling Druid's fortify and overall damage output is necessary for the pre-season. I expect the rogue nerfs to be mild in comparison.

Cinge said:

Hmm I want something that doesn't rely on resource so heavily. That shit sucked for druid and I hear sorc can be just as bad?

How is ranged rogue or necro bonespirit/spear in that regard?

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I play an arc lash sorc which is like zero resource. The pro is that the play style is very lazy when stuff is easy - open world stuff, quests, whisper stuff, regular dungeons.....you just aim towards mobs and kill, it doesn't use mana.

The downside is the class is squishy, so at higher levels (NM dungeons, helltide) you need to worry about cooldowns, instead of worring about resource. You gather up mobs, pop your cooldowns, hit unstable currents, and everything dies. If things don't die (rare)....you have to teleport out, kite, and wait for cooldowns to reset. For regular stuff, just frost nova and charged bolts, which hit like a shot gun. Charged bolts is resource dependent, however I got the unique staff (Staff of Lam Esen) that restores resource with hits, which lets me spam bolts.

To mitigate how fragile my character is, I took a bunch of defensive aspects, like the one that gives me a 6% chance to refresh one of my defensive cooldowns when I get hit, another grants me immunity when I get injured, another gives me a barrier....etc. This way I almost always have a barrier up, otherwise I have to spam potions to stay alive.

I'm also not optimized, since I don't use any cookie cutter builds, I've never looked up a build on any website, just picked stuff that made sense to me based on my past Diablo exp. If I ever hit a wall then I think I would have to optimize my build by getting recommendations, but as of now (lvl 78) I'm still doing OK.

jooka said:

Joe Shely confirmed nerfs are coming in Tuesday's patch, I'd put Druid and Rogue right at the top of classes getting hit. He didn't say anything about buffs other than that they can't always just buff stuff

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Of course, nerf all the fun. I still scoff when they say they cant just buff. What liars. It's a season, its a vacuum as you(the developers) stated. You can do whatever you wanted, its temporary and ends when season ends. Who gives a shit if you end up with everyone being powerful and fun, especially in your first season. But no, they will take the easy way out and blame balance or some such as their reasons.

Most likely it will be like Mkopec said, a few seasons in, when they realize seasons is all they have, before they start trying things. Hopefully doesn't take as long as it did in d3.

Rhanyn said:

Rogue is the only thing I’ve played to “endgame”. I can recommend it at a thoroughly fun class. Think I’m going Barb for Season 1.

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Barb at level 78 is pretty fun, I'd recommend it.

Sucks that you're essentially limited to a WW/HOTA/Death Blow build though, but my Hota build is pretty fun, went a lil away from the maxroll recommendation since I didnt want to have 3 shouts, but overall pretty consistent dmg.

Granted, I'm only soloing t34-t37 so I am sure I'd need to refine it further if I gave a fuck about uber Lilith or NM100, but having fun casually hasn't been an issue.