Disaster Preparedness and Survival Training

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It takes about one sheep per month to keep a diabetic alive. Quite doable, given the right circumstances.
 

iannis

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A tight small town community is not going to allow squatting.
by anyone outside of their community.

I don't think the absentee landlords would be a protected class. Best case you're looking at a reversion to pseudo-feudalism. Electricity, surplus, specialization, and automation makes more refined forms practical. The quickest and best way to achieve those ends will be a reversion to the previous stable form.

We don't have to copy the titles to copy the form. We could call Earls Mayors and call Kings Governors and change nothing of any importance.

Alas, Babylonis one of the best doomsday books I've ever read, tbh. That society was heading to feudalism.
 

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I watched an episode of this prepper show on Netflix. There were some rednecks in Texas that made a giant fort out of shipping containers, and they were busy canning food to last them years and years...out in 100+F weather. Good luck eating your toxic sludge when the End of Times hits.
 

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I watched an episode of this prepper show on Netflix. There were some rednecks in Texas that made a giant fort out of shipping containers, and they were busy canning food to last them years and years...out in 100+F weather. Good luck eating your toxic sludge when the End of Times hits.
But theyre prepared!
 

Ignatius

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I remember that episode. I wanted to reach through the screen and slap them.

The best part was their improvised weaponry.
 

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I love how people talk about doomsday and what they'd do. You're gonna die, that's what you'll do. If something bad enough happens that all that stupid shit you're buying is useful, you're probably envisioning something from The Road or walking dead or whatever. Everyone thinks they'll be the survivor, the 0.001% who lives. I know we all like to watch those movies and shows and put ourselves in their shoes, but you should be putting yourself in the shoes of the charred body next to them, because that's you.

If enough people survive that you can expect to be alive, all the shit you have is useless
 

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Thank you Nostradamus. Your important insights are very valuable. You obviously know what you are talking about and are not just another blowhard.
 

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I love how people talk about doomsday and what they'd do. You're gonna die, that's what you'll do. If something bad enough happens that all that stupid shit you're buying is useful, you're probably envisioning something from The Road or walking dead or whatever. Everyone thinks they'll be the survivor, the 0.001% who lives. I know we all like to watch those movies and shows and put ourselves in their shoes, but you should be putting yourself in the shoes of the charred body next to them, because that's you.

If enough people survive that you can expect to be alive, all the shit you have is useless
More dangerous than Doomsday is perceived Doomsday. People absolutely shit their pants at the first sign of abnormal rain or snow, what do you think is going to happen when some small, localized disaster hits? Yeah, they'll be fighting tooth-to-gums over loves of bread and boxes of twinkies and dying the moment they drink water downstream of a rotting deer carcass.

Me? I'll be sitting in my house, eating MRE's, playing Nintendo off my silent Honda generator, and getting drunk off of cheap beer, and trying to figure out how to wipe my ass with the two squares of single-ply toilet paper that comes in every package of MREs.

You heard it here first folks, the currency of the apocalypse will be cheap booze and triple ply toilet paper.
 

Numbers_sl

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I love how people talk about doomsday and what they'd do. You're gonna die, that's what you'll do. If something bad enough happens that all that stupid shit you're buying is useful, you're probably envisioning something from The Road or walking dead or whatever. Everyone thinks they'll be the survivor, the 0.001% who lives. I know we all like to watch those movies and shows and put ourselves in their shoes, but you should be putting yourself in the shoes of the charred body next to them, because that's you.

If enough people survive that you can expect to be alive, all the shit you have is useless
Reminded me of this song.Chris Rock - No Sex ft. Shadow - YouTube
 

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Renamed thread. My plan for short term disasters is to eat all the food I would never otherwise eat that I only bought when I momentarily lost my mind at the grocer. My plan for long term disasters is to become an evil marauder who will eventually be taken out by an unlikely heroic team of youngsters.
 

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Renamed thread. My plan for short term disasters is to eat all the food I would never otherwise eat that I only bought when I momentarily lost my mind at the grocer. My plan for long term disasters is to become an evil marauder who will eventually be taken out by an unlikely heroic team of youngsters.
The most sane post in this thread.
 

Silence_sl

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Renamed thread. My plan for short term disasters is to eat all the food I would never otherwise eat that I only bought when I momentarily lost my mind at the grocer.
We've seen recent pics of your rather manly, yet flabulent viking self. What short term disaster did you recently survive?
 

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True. Some people go to extremes. But hey id rather spend a bit of money being prepared than being am idiot begging for shit if the shit hits the fan. And i do think an econmic collapse will happen in my lifetime.
It did happen. Five years ago.
 

tad10

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It did happen. Five years ago.
And may happen again: someone's been practicing on our power grid....

You can use google to get around the WSJ paywall:

Assault on California Power Station Raises Alarm on Potential for Terrorism
April Sniper Attack Knocked Out Substation, Raises Concern for Country's Power Grid




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Feb. 4, 2014 10:30 p.m. ET

SAN JOSE, Calif.?The attack began just before 1 a.m. on April 16 last year, when someone slipped into an underground vault not far from a busy freeway and cut telephone cables.

Within half an hour, snipers opened fire on a nearby electrical substation. Shooting for 19 minutes, they surgically knocked out 17 giant transformers that funnel power to Silicon Valley. A minute before a police car arrived, the shooters disappeared into the night.

A sniper attack on a power substation raised fears that the country's power grid is vulnerable to terrorism. Net-A-Porter launches a fashion magazine. Why airlines can change plans but customers can't. Photo: Talia Herman for The Wall Street Journal

With over 160,000 miles of transmission lines, the U.S. power grid is designed to handle natural and man-made disasters, as well as fluctuations in demand. How does the system work? WSJ's Jason Bellini has #TheShortAnswer.

To avoid a blackout, electric-grid officials rerouted power around the site and asked power plants in Silicon Valley to produce more electricity. But it took utility workers 27 days to make repairs and bring the substation back to life.

Nobody has been arrested or charged in the attack at PG&E Corp.'s PCG -0.49% Metcalf transmission substation. It is an incident of which few Americans are aware. But one former federal regulator is calling it a terrorist act that, if it were widely replicated across the country, could take down the U.S. electric grid and black out much of the country.

The attack was "the most significant incident of domestic terrorism involving the grid that has ever occurred" in the U.S., said Jon Wellinghoff, who was chairman of the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission at the time.

The Wall Street Journal assembled a chronology of the Metcalf attack from filings PG&E made to state and federal regulators; from other documents including a video released by the Santa Clara County Sheriff's Department; and from interviews, including with Mr. Wellinghoff.
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The 64-year-old Nevadan, who was appointed to FERC in 2006 by President George W. Bush and stepped down in November, said he gave closed-door, high-level briefings to federal agencies, Congress and the White House last year. As months have passed without arrests, he said, he has grown increasingly concerned that an even larger attack could be in the works. He said he was going public about the incident out of concern that national security is at risk and critical electric-grid sites aren't adequately protected.

The Federal Bureau of Investigation doesn't think a terrorist organization caused the Metcalf attack, said a spokesman for the FBI in San Francisco. Investigators are "continuing to sift through the evidence," he said.

Some people in the utility industry share Mr. Wellinghoff's concerns, including a former official at PG&E, Metcalf's owner, who told an industry gathering in November he feared the incident could have been a dress rehearsal for a larger event.

"This wasn't an incident where Billy-Bob and Joe decided, after a few brewskis, to come in and shoot up a substation," Mark Johnson, retired vice president of transmission for PG&E, told the utility security conference, according to a video of his presentation. "This was an event that was well thought out, well planned and they targeted certain components." When reached, Mr. Johnson declined to comment further.

A spokesman for PG&E said the company takes all incidents seriously but declined to discuss the Metcalf event in detail for fear of giving information to potential copycats. "We won't speculate about the motives" of the attackers, added the spokesman, Brian Swanson. He said PG&E has increased security measures.
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Utility executives and federal energy officials have long worried that the electric grid is vulnerable to sabotage. That is in part because the grid, which is really three systems serving different areas of the U.S., has failed when small problems such as trees hitting transmission lines created cascading blackouts. One in 2003 knocked out power to 50 million people in the Eastern U.S. and Canada for days.

Many of the system's most important components sit out in the open, often in remote locations, protected by little more than cameras and chain-link fences.

Transmission substations are critical links in the grid. They make it possible for electricity to move long distances, and serve as hubs for intersecting power lines.

Within a substation, transformers raise the voltage of electricity so it can travel hundreds of miles on high-voltage lines, or reduce voltages when electricity approaches its destination. The Metcalf substation functions as an off-ramp from power lines for electricity heading to homes and businesses in Silicon Valley.

The country's roughly 2,000 very large transformers are expensive to build, often costing millions of dollars each, and hard to replace. Each is custom made and weighs up to 500,000 pounds, and "I can only build 10 units a month," said Dennis Blake, general manager of Pennsylvania Transformer in Pittsburgh, one of seven U.S. manufacturers. The utility industry keeps some spares on hand.

A 2009 Energy Department report said that "physical damage of certain system components (e.g. extra-high-voltage transformers) on a large scale?could result in prolonged outages, as procurement cycles for these components range from months to years."

Mr. Wellinghoff said a FERC analysis found that if a surprisingly small number of U.S. substations were knocked out at once, that could destabilize the system enough to cause a blackout that could encompass most of the U.S.

Not everyone is so pessimistic. Gerry Cauley, chief executive of the North America Electric Reliability Corp., a standards-setting group that reports to FERC, said he thinks the grid is more resilient than Mr. Wellinghoff fears.

"I don't want to downplay the scenario he describes," Mr. Cauley said. "I'll agree it's possible from a technical assessment." But he said that even if several substations went down, the vast majority of people would have their power back in a few hours.

The utility industry has been focused on Internet attacks, worrying that hackers could take down the grid by disabling communications and important pieces of equipment. Companies have reported 13 cyber incidents in the past three years, according to a Wall Street Journal analysis of emergency reports utilities file with the federal government. There have been no reports of major outages linked to these events, although companies have generally declined to provide details.

"A lot of people in the electric industry have been distracted by cybersecurity threats," said Stephen Berberich, chief executive of the California Independent System Operator, which runs much of the high-voltage transmission system for the utilities. He said that physical attacks pose a "big, if not bigger" menace.

There were 274 significant instances of vandalism or deliberate damage in the three years, and more than 700 weather-related problems, according to the Journal's analysis.

Until the Metcalf incident, attacks on U.S. utility equipment were mostly linked to metal thieves, disgruntled employees or bored hunters, who sometimes took potshots at small transformers on utility poles to see what happens. (Answer: a small explosion followed by an outage.)

Last year, an Arkansas man was charged with multiple attacks on the power grid, including setting fire to a switching station. He has pleaded not guilty and is undergoing a psychiatric evaluation, according to federal court records.

Overseas, terrorist organizations were linked to 2,500 attacks on transmission lines or towers and at least 500 on substations from 1996 to 2006, according to a January report from the Electric Power Research Institute, an industry-funded research group, which cited State Department data.

An attack on a PG&E substation near San Jose, Calif., in April knocked out 17 transformers like this one. Talia Herman for The Wall Street Journal

To some, the Metcalf incident has lifted the discussion of serious U.S. grid attacks beyond the theoretical. "The breadth and depth of the attack was unprecedented" in the U.S., said Rich Lordan, senior technical executive for the Electric Power Research Institute. The motivation, he said, "appears to be preparation for an act of war."

The attack lasted slightly less than an hour, according to the chronology assembled by the Journal.

At 12:58 a.m., AT&T fiber-optic telecommunications cables were cut?in a way that made them hard to repair?in an underground vault near the substation, not far from U.S. Highway 101 just outside south San Jose. It would have taken more than one person to lift the metal vault cover, said people who visited the site.

Nine minutes later, some customers of Level 3 Communications, LVLT +10.79% an Internet service provider, lost service. Cables in its vault near the Metcalf substation were also cut.

At 1:31 a.m., a surveillance camera pointed along a chain-link fence around the substation recorded a streak of light that investigators from the Santa Clara County Sheriff's office think was a signal from a waved flashlight. It was followed by the muzzle flash of rifles and sparks from bullets hitting the fence.

The substation's cameras weren't aimed outside its perimeter, where the attackers were. They shooters appear to have aimed at the transformers' oil-filled cooling systems. These began to bleed oil, but didn't explode, as the transformers probably would have done if hit in other areas.

About six minutes after the shooting started, PG&E confirms, it got an alarm from motion sensors at the substation, possibly from bullets grazing the fence, which is shown on video.

Four minutes later, at 1:41 a.m., the sheriff's department received a 911 call about gunfire, sent by an engineer at a nearby power plant that still had phone service.

Riddled with bullet holes, the transformers leaked 52,000 gallons of oil, then overheated. The first bank of them crashed at 1:45 a.m., at which time PG&E's control center about 90 miles north received an equipment-failure alarm.

Five minutes later, another apparent flashlight signal, caught on film, marked the end of the attack. More than 100 shell casings of the sort ejected by AK-47s were later found at the site.

At 1:51 a.m., law-enforcement officers arrived, but found everything quiet. Unable to get past the locked fence and seeing nothing suspicious, they left.

A PG&E worker, awakened by the utility's control center at 2:03 a.m., arrived at 3:15 a.m. to survey the damage.

Grid officials routed some power around the substation to keep the system stable and asked customers in Silicon Valley to conserve electricity.

In a news release, PG&E said the substation had been hit by vandals. It has since confirmed 17 transformers were knocked out.

Mr. Wellinghoff, then chairman of FERC, said that after he heard about the scope of the attack, he flew to California, bringing with him experts from the U.S. Navy's Dahlgren Surface Warfare Center in Virginia, which trains Navy SEALs. After walking the site with PG&E officials and FBI agents, Mr. Wellinghoff said, the military experts told him it looked like a professional job.

In addition to fingerprint-free shell casings, they pointed out small piles of rocks, which they said could have been left by an advance scout to tell the attackers where to get the best shots.

"They said it was a targeting package just like they would put together for an attack," Mr. Wellinghoff said.

Mr. Wellinghoff, now a law partner at Stoel Rives LLP in San Francisco, said he arranged a series of meetings in the following weeks to let other federal agencies, including the Department of Homeland Security, know what happened and to enlist their help. He held a closed-door meeting with utility executives in San Francisco in June and has distributed lists of things utilities should do to strengthen their defenses.

A spokesman for Homeland Security said it is up to utilities to protect the grid. The department's role in an emergency is to connect federal agencies and local police and facilitate information sharing, the spokesman said.

As word of the attack spread through the utility industry, some companies moved swiftly to review their security efforts. "We're looking at things differently now," said Michelle Campanella, an FBI veteran who is director of security for Consolidated Edison Inc. ED -0.52% in New York. For example, she said, Con Ed changed the angles of some of its 1,200 security cameras "so we don't have any blind spots."

Some of the legislators Mr. Wellinghoff briefed are calling for action. Rep. Henry Waxman (D., Calif.) mentioned the incident at a FERC oversight hearing in December, saying he was concerned that no one in government can order utilities to improve grid protections or to take charge in an emergency.

As for Mr. Wellinghoff, he said he has made something of a hobby of visiting big substations to look over defenses and see whether he is questioned by security details or local police. He said he typically finds easy access to fence lines that are often close to important equipment.

"What keeps me awake at night is a physical attack that could take down the grid," he said. "This is a huge problem."

?Tom McGinty contributed to this article.
 

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That's no different than if those same snipers had opened up on people, except that the people would have called the cops sooner. There are far more places that someone with bad intentions can hide or screw things up than it is possible to protect. If someone wants to do harm, they more than likely can. It certainly isn't that difficult to take out transformers in various neighborhoods, as proven by the number of times a fucking car has hit one in mine. Do we start encasing all this shit in cement, or posting armed guards, or have drones circling overhead? Or do we just live with it, deal with it as it happens, and go about our day?
 

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That's no different than if those same snipers had opened up on people, except that the people would have called the cops sooner. There are far more places that someone with bad intentions can hide or screw things up than it is possible to protect. If someone wants to do harm, they more than likely can. It certainly isn't that difficult to take out transformers in various neighborhoods, as proven by the number of times a fucking car has hit one in mine. Do we start encasing all this shit in cement, or posting armed guards, or have drones circling overhead? Or do we just live with it, deal with it as it happens, and go about our day?
Whatever. The attack on infrastructure was a dry run and the fact it wasn't revealed until now raises the questions of how many other such dry runs have occured that we don't know about. Take the Jan 4, Minneapolis apartment complex explosion. It was likely a bomb factory that exploded (any other reason we'd have known about and the claim of "gas" was repudiated day one by the local gas company) and all information was promptly buried.

The point of posting it in this thread wasn't to argue for drones circling overhead but to remind people that the world isn't as safe as "some" seem to think and it is worthwhile being prepared because you really don't know what's going to come, or even (as this news report indicated) what's already happened.
 

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Within half an hour, snipers opened fire on a nearby electrical substation. Shooting for 19 minutes, they surgically knocked out 17 giant transformers that funnel power to Silicon Valley. A minute before a police car arrived, the shooters disappeared into the night.

I don't know how "surgical" it was if it took 19 minutes to shoot 17 "giant" transformers. Sounds like it could have been some drunk teenagers as easily as an elite terrorist strike force.