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iannis

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Matt Smith really does have a quite respectable penis.

Clara has a very cute ass.

Dr. Who has something for everybody.

I kinda think they need some fresh writing blood as well. This seasons kinda been a swing and a miss. Which is fine. I'm not nerdraged over it. But I do also think moffat did spread himself too thin. Time to let the next guy in line have a go. The show deserves to regenerate!

Capaldi really should be much better. They've got CAPALDI. Use him.
 
Phazael

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I am sort of disappointed that it is not the Rani, as I think Moffat overused the Master during the Tennant era, but for a new doctor in year one it is still way more watchable than Eccleston or Tennant's first year (only in the first case). Large chunks of this season have been more of a fan service to classic who fans, which started in the last year or so of Smith. I think Smith pulled the ripcord on them a year earlier than they expected and they have been scrambling to restructure everything. Most of what they did with the Master was true to form classic era, as Master has made alliances with other alien enemies in the past (with the notable exception of the Daleks) and it is not the first time he has evaded time lord detection (Fob Watch, hiding in the time lord super computer Matrix that this episode's necrosphere is based on, possessing other beings) even by the Doctor.

I do think the build up created a payoff that Moffat could not deliver, though. I like this episode a lot and am 50/50 on the good vs bad of the rest of this season, but much of my annoyance has been with Clara (reminding me of Amy Pond towards the end of her bitchy run). But I am fine with asshole Doctor, because they pretty much have all been assholes to varying degrees. Capaldi would not even make the top five of asshole Doctors, really. The 4th Doctor let an alien race invade his home world and ultimately erased them from existence, as one example, and he was the most beloved Doctor of all time.
 
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I do hope Michelle Gomez makes it out of the finale more or less intact. She chews the scenery in a very satisfying way.
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Damn! Turns out she's the same age as me and here's me thinking she was in her 50s. Never been much good with ages but she must have had one hell of a paper round.
 
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Phazael_sl said:
The 4th Doctor let an alien race invade his home world and ultimately erased them from existence, as one example, and he was the most beloved Doctor of all time.
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Amen to that. While I enjoyed Tennant for the most part, and all of the others in their own way, there is only one Doctor as far as I'm concerned.

With regards to the show, I'm concerned that Moffat will prolong his overstayed tenure by dangling a female Doctor carrot at the BBC. He's established with Missy that Time Lords can change sex now and giving them a female lead would have all the politically correct bunch at the Beeb frothing at the gash.
 
Phazael

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The gender change option for regeneration was established as cannon a long time ago, as far back as Romana regenerating if I recall correctly. A female Doctor would not be the end of the world as long as they picked someone who can act instead of eye candy.
 
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Jait

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Phazael_sl said:
The gender change option for regeneration was established as cannon a long time ago, as far back as Romana regenerating if I recall correctly. A female Doctor would not be the end of the world as long as they picked someone who can act instead of eye candy.
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Correct. That was a pretty decent ep. She regenerated on whim, and tried on 4-5 different bodies before settling on Tom Baker's wife who played a Part of the Key to Time, Princess something'or'other. She even regenerated into an alien at one point iirc. I think I'm one of the few who preferred the original actress to Lala Ward.

I really thought for half a second when the Master said she was abandoned that it was Susan or Romana to be honest.
 
Qhue

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I was thinking Susan or Romana as well, especially Romana with the "didn't you think I'd find a way back?" line. I was hoping for the 50th and with the return to Coal Hill School this year that they would have shed more light on exactly who Susan was. Clearly it wasn't his actual granddaughter...
 
Drakain

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Probably a zero chance of it happening, but it would make me happy if Missy at some point in the next episode reveals she ISN'T the Master and just said that to screw with The Doctor/fans.

I'm just not excited about another Master. Open the universe back up and give us other Time Lords.
 
Qhue

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Would be interesting if Gallifrey comes back and instead of isolating themselves from the Universe in their Ivory Tower decide to become mega-proactive and zip around trying to be Time Travel Jedi Knights following in the Doctor's example.

Imagine the Doctor plus Companion landing in some mess caused by Sontarans only to find a full strike team of Time Lords already on the scene dealing with the situation.
 
Jait

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Another long shot is the Master will learn of Gallifrey not being destroyed and either finally become the Doctor's companion, leading to them constantly at odds with how to deal with situations. Or at the very least a return to the old days with the Master being a recurring presence in future seasons trying to thwart the return of Gallifrey. She definitely has a TARDIS though. I think it's that red phone booth.

edit: Chris Addison has been great as Seb too. It'd be cool if he was something more than just the "Devil on the other side", but another Time Lord.
 
Caliane

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Master as a companion would be fun i think.
Anti-hero companion that is always at odds, or undermining The doctor.
 
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I get that the Master has a magnificent intellect, on par with, if not greater than, the Doctor. What I can't accept is he/she somehow managed to work out a way to escape from a time-locked Gallifrey when an entire planet of Time Lords couldn't fathom out how to.
 
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Grizzlebeard_sl said:
I get that the Master has a magnificent intellect, on par with, if not greater than, the Doctor. What I can't accept is he/she somehow managed to work out a way to escape from a time-locked Gallifrey when an entire planet of Time Lords couldn't fathom out how to.
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The Time Lords did figure out how to return. That's what Matt Smiths finale was all about. All he had to do was speak his birth name into the crack, and the Time Lords would return. Only to be annihilated by every race in the Universe.

There's also the possibility the Master left before it was sent into the other Universe. The General during the final day of the war tells the other guy that the High Council's plan failed (The End of Time plan). So there was probably at least a day between him returning and killing Rassilon and it getting sucked away. I think we'll find out on Saturday.
 
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While it's nothing new, I'm confused.

Prior to the Tennant Master finale we were led to believe Gallifrey was trapped in a time-bubble and the Doctor was responsible. This presumably is the reason Rassilon and his cohorts were able to engineer an escape, ie they weren't ash. Then we had the 50th Anniversary special where they explained the gnarly John Hurt Doctor incinerated all things but with the help of all the other Doctors (who believed it had also burned - when did that happen?) was able to then place Gallifrey in the time-bubble. Was the 50th Anniversary meant to be outside the series timeline? (no pun intended)

Also, yeah, I'd forgotten they could escape but didn't do so until they figured out how they could ascend in order to protect themselves from the eventual retribution that their reappearance would lead to. That said, could they only escape if Gallifrey was no longer time-locked because in which case either the planet is back somehow or the Master/Mistress is a fargin sneaky bastige.

 
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Grizzlebeard_sl said:
While it's nothing new, I'm confused.

Prior to the Tennant Master finale we were led to believe Gallifrey was trapped in a time-bubble and the Doctor was responsible. This presumably is the reason Rassilon and his cohorts were able to engineer an escape, ie they weren't ash.
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You have it wrong. It was explicity said that the time lock occurred because of the time-travel absuses during the war- the Doctor had nothing to do with it. From the very beginning of the new show, the Doctor believed he had destroyed all of the Daleks and Time Lords and no amount of time travel could change that.

Then we had the 50th Anniversary special where they explained the gnarly John Hurt Doctor incinerated all things but with the help of all the other Doctors (who believed it had also burned - when did that happen?) was able to then place Gallifrey in the time-bubble. Was the 50th Anniversary meant to be outside the series timeline? (no pun intended)
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The timeline is very clear in this regard. During the last days of the Time War, The War Doctor gets ahold of the Moment and flies off with it. Sometime while he's gone, Rassilon tries his shenanigans to escape Gallifrey/win the war (as seen in The End of Time) but fails. The 50th Anniversary special then occurs and all the Doctors seal Gallifrey in a pocket universe, but everyone's memories about it but 11's are erased (otherwise a paradox could occur where different memories cause the Doctor to make different decisions in his life).

After this, the War Doctor regenerates into the 9th, and the show begins ("Rose").

That said, could they only escape if Gallifrey was no longer time-locked because in which case either the planet is back somehow or the Master/Mistress is a fargin sneaky bastige.
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Gallifrey is no longer time-locked. The time lock only affected history up until the moment that the war ended, such that those events are immutable. Right now Gallifrey is simply hiding away in some pocket universe until they can safely come out and there is no reason why a renegade Master/Mistress couldn't leave on their own.
 
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Qhue_sl said:
Would be interesting if Gallifrey comes back and instead of isolating themselves from the Universe in their Ivory Tower decide to become mega-proactive and zip around trying to be Time Travel Jedi Knights following in the Doctor's example.

Imagine the Doctor plus Companion landing in some mess caused by Sontarans only to find a full strike team of Time Lords already on the scene dealing with the situation.
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When they first got time travel the Time Lords interfered everywhere, and not in a good way. They've also wiped out, or tried to wipe out entire races (Great Vampires, Racnoss). Then they became more altruistic but that didn't work out either (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Underworld_(Doctor_Who) ). So in the end they decided on a non-interventionist policy, except in extreme cases like the Daleks.

It's difficult to see how Gallifrey could come back without starting off a massive war, but as things stand we're pretty much back to where Gallifrey always was - standing to one side while individual Time Lords meddle in the universe's affairs.
 
Qhue

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This is why it was always a bit easier when the Doctor was just travelling randomly (little to no control over the TARDIS) and addressing highly localized situations. You could have the notion of this standoffish race of beings who did whatever and the Doctor was just doing his bit as a renegade. Now if Gallifrey comes back there's really no way for them to reset back to nada.

This was also part of a problem with those late 70s stories that started dealing with the backstory of the Time Lords or even stories on Gallifrey itself. Was a lot easier to think of them as completely detached when they were mostly a mystery. Sort of how no one really questioned the Galactic Empire from Star Wars until we started looking at Coruscant and wondering about the people who worked in the Death Star food services.
 
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