Doctor Who

I think if they are going to take the whole "dark" route they need to stop cockteasing and do it.

Capaldi is far from acting what I would call a "dark" Doctor. He's just an asshole who doesn't care when people die, as long as it's not him or Clara. That's not dark. That's being an asshole.

I doubt that they will bother explaining how he escaped and probably just write themselves into another hole at the end of next episode.

6 Cybermen is fucking scary!

Holy cow. That kiss... "He's my boyfriend" indeed.

Jait_sl said:

It occurred to me this morning that the opposite of Male is Female, and Master would be Miss. Or Missy... Would be a cracker if he regenerated into a woman after fighting Rassilon and stole another TARDIS before Gallifrey was snatched up.

The character is just too insane to be Rani, although I still suspect it is.

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I may have 50 different hedges, but I'm still glad I nailed one

And although this ep felt like 10 minutes due to all the teasing and dragging shit out, I really, really liked it.

Yea, one of the better episodes of the season. Currently, it's my favorite, but I always over-value an episode right after watching it.

It felt more like a normal Who episode, and the Doctor was more of a badass then normal. Tricking clara, seeing through the scam right away, etc...

Really was hoping for the Rani or something, instead of what we got. Be nice if the Doctor had a time lord around that could potentially become something other then their enemy, but we already know the Master will never come around.

i really dont get the fucking timeline of all this bullshit. for one, tennant doctor didnt abandon the master, the master redeemed himself at the end by saving the earth and fucking over rasilon or whatever timothy dalton's character was called. it did NOT end with the doctor and the master being on bad terms. secondly, why would the master use cybermen? and lastly since when does does the doctor need a key to open the Tardis? matt smith doctor was opening the doors with the snap of his fingers. this was a good episode if you ignore all previous canon.

The keys were irrelevant. They were entirely Clara's half-baked idea while she was distressed. I would be more concerned with why the Doctor would keep around the same drugs he condemned in Gridlocked.

And The Doctor and Master have left each other on good terms before, he/she has never needed a reason other than her insanity. She didn't need to mention it at all though, so I suspect they may delve into that more later including the fact that Gallifrey isn't destroyed. The Cybermen part is the least concerning for me, and makes a lot of sense. The Master is using the Matrix (or whatever she called it) to control this particular army of his own design. I thought that part of the plot was pretty clever actually.

The show has far from iron-clad continuity, but I really didn't think this ep was too far fetched. Just too short on content. I also suspect we saw the Doctor's childhood for a reason earlier this season, we may end up getting more information on their relationship as kids.

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It's highly unlikely, but I really would like to see the Simms regeneration in a flashback in the next ep. It'd be a nice cameo and give my continuity some peace of mind.

I mean, as good as the episode was, I can't see why Moffat would take that route for any reason OTHER than to just fuck with people. Yes, Missy being the Rani would have been obvious, but seeing at how many people guessed (correctly now, mind you) that Missy would end up being The Master it seems to be almost as obvious as her being the Rani would have been.

I just see it like this, back in the day the writers also had this same thought Moffat had, of the Doctor needing a female adversary, and so they created one. If a female adversary was required, or thought to be a good idea for the series of today, why not just pull from the already established lore? To me this is the equivalent of say, the director of a Superman movie wanting a female bad guy, and rather than choose from any of the females established already, makes Lex Luthor a woman just for the lulz.

Shrug, regardless of all that I feel this first part of the finale kinda redeemed the whole season, for me at least. Definitely felt more like the Doctor Who of prior seasons.

Just you wait until the next Doctor is an indian woman from wales.

Chris_sl said:

Just you wait until the next Doctor is an indian woman from wales.

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That made me laugh, especially when I mentally added the actress should have the first name Rani.

Maester Chuk_sl said:

i really dont get the fucking timeline of all this bullshit. for one, tennant doctor didnt abandon the master, the master redeemed himself at the end by saving the earth and fucking over rasilon or whatever timothy dalton's character was called. it did NOT end with the doctor and the master being on bad terms. secondly, why would the master use cybermen? and lastly since when does does the doctor need a key to open the Tardis? matt smith doctor was opening the doors with the snap of his fingers. this was a good episode if you ignore all previous canon.

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Point one: TheMasterMistress isbat-shit loco. Accusing the Doc of abandoning her is mild by her history.
Point two: The Master has a long and storied history of allying with random aliens then having the whole fucking thing fall apart around their ears in the second half of the story and having to rely on the Doc to fix shit and save them. Go watch some Pertwee.

i get what you guys are saying, im going by how they are conducting the reboot. i still havent watched all the pre-reboot doctors episodes. mostly because im hoping they are completed. in the reboot the master started as dr Yana (you are not alone) he was helping the remainder of the human race to get to a better place. then he opened his watch and regenned, went to earth to take the identity of Saxon. he used the dead remainder of the human race to attack the planet, captured tennant doctor, tennant doctor defeated him and "destroyed" him. chick at the end retrieves his ring.

next time we see the master, the chick with the ring(wife) performs a a ritual to bring back Saxon(the master), it goes horribly wrong and now the master is even battier shit crazy because the sound of the drums wont stop playing. turns out the drums was a beacon from galifrey trying to return, also the master was killing himself by blasting peeps with his life force. galifrey shows up, tennant doctor convinces the master that galifrey is the villain and master saves earth and breaks the galifrey link (by killing himself?).

all of it is linked, the drums, the dead human invaders, the revival.

this master is back and mad at the doctor because .... reasons. she is using Cybermen because..... reasons. doesnt seem to be affected by the drums because.... reasons. i guess i should just be happy that the master has returned and shut my piehole, i will in a moment, but right now i am shedding some tears for the death of Doctor Who's continuity.

The Master is a supreme egomaniac, fixated on defeating/showing up the Doctor, fond of elaborate plans, and usually skims the minor details; that's all been fairly consistent since they first showed up back in the 60s.
Also good at surviving unsurvivable deathtraps off-screen with no explanation - I'm not joking, there was one back in the 5th Doc era (a season after the Master was pretty much guaranteed to die where he was left in the previous story) where the script basically went:

Companion: "The Master! Didn't you die?"
Master: "No"

And that wasitfor an explanation.

Exactly. He's been turned into a corpse, a cat, a worm... He also fell into a god damned black hole. And his response? The time lords rezzed me.

Nuff said. Guy won't die.

Why didn't the Doctor detect the Master this time? (They are supposed to "feel" each other when they are near)

(Last time it was a perception filter built into the phones etc) - hence the four beeps and drum banging...

Jimbolini_sl said:

Why didn't the Doctor detect the Master this time? (They are supposed to "feel" each other when they are near)

(Last time it was a perception filter built into the phones etc) - hence the four beeps and drum banging...

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Moffat ex machina.

Bleh...it's all bleh.

I said it before, and I'll say it again; it's time for Moffat to go. He's played all the hands in his deck, and now he's just crutching along on past victories. He has become to Dr Who what William Shatner as a director was to Star Trek.

Anyhow.

There was a timeline in the Tennant era where some aliums made a daughter from his DNA. Cool idea, but they never went anywhere with it. Also...the TARDIS Junkyard was a cool idea...which could be used to explain the presence of another Doctor with her own time box.

So, storyline overlap of midway between two seasons. The actual Doctor vanishes for an entire TV year. His daughter fills in, has her own stories and time box. Chlo? Moretz would be a natural here. She'd go about getting The Doctor back and doing exactly NO TIMEY WIMEY fuck shit. Bow ties are NOT COOL. She kicks the shit out of anyone and anything that stands between her and saving the Doctor.

At some point, the Doctor has a regen, and comes back as The Doctor played by....Emily Blunt. A lot of wut wut wut, and they zoom off to save the universe as Doctors are want to do. Half a season or so of this.

But, this isn't Moffat's universe where every action has exactly no equal and opposite reaction. This is the same universe that left Rose Tyler crying her buck teeth out because they saved the universe, and someone has to get the shaft. The bigger the deed, the bigger the shaft.

Another season of Emily Blunt totally off her rocker because her kid died in a pretty unpleasant way, and she's just fucking shit up left and right.

Then! An old friend comes back. The dame with the robot dog. She drags Emily out of the giant puddle of self pity and piss that she was in, drags her from one end of the universe to show her (Emily Blunt, the Doctor) that her child was alive...just spirited long away to a forgotten place, a long, long time ago.

(Jodie Foster steps in, a tired and much older version of her former self...the youngster played by Chlo? Moretz)

Some hugging..talking, and FOOM! Regen time.

Benedict Cumberbatch as...the Doctor.

Oo ee oo eee.

I do hope Michelle Gomez makes it out of the finale more or less intact. She chews the scenery in a very satisfying way.