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Where do you guys bet on these games? Is it actually worth doing/fun? Can you make decent items by betting against favored teams?
 
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You can bet on a favored team and get items, but you won't get many obviously, especially when the % to win is very high. Like Alliance games, betting on alliance generally gives you very little.

I just started betting on this cause I figure I don't use most of my cosmetics anyway(not heroes I play) so might as well bet on matches I think I might be able to win some items and see how it goes. Some people I know have been betting constantly though and getting a lot of items, by either betting on underdog when a win is possible or just betting on winners.
 
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I always love watching Chinese teams defend. Its so hard to break their base. NaVi was up so much exp/gold and they just couldn't go up on the high ground until they got a pick off.
 
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Well I mean, if they kill your family for losing you might have some strong convictions regarding your ancient not getting plowed
 
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It really bodes well for dota as an esport if the western dota scene is globally competitive to the east, starcraft just suffers so mightily from no foreign teams to root for. I really hope this trend continues for the west. I really hope there is 3/8 or 4/8 western teams in the top 8 of ti3.
 
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Sulrn_sl said:
I don't know how you guys in VHigh do it. Every very high game I've played had people with skill levels the tutorial would be too advanced for, egos so fragile that one unassisted gank turned into a throw, or was made up of 5 man hit squads.


Its like once you reach a moderate level of skill the only way to get a good (fun) game is to find four people and scrim other five man teams.
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Well keep in mind that someone could climb to any skill bracket by just playing one role or just like 3 different heroes etc. Being in vhigh doesn't mean you can play every hero at that skill level, but when people want to learn a hero it doesn't drop them to the shit bracket, many players never play a real 5 role in pubbing dota or even a solid warding 4. So if they random perhaps they blow chunks at that hero or role. I know its hyperbole when you say tutorial skill levels, the least of which can always be just being slightly worse than your opponent. Even though I'm in vhigh, fata or dendi or any other professional mid will absolutely fuck my face in, it will be like they are playing a low bracket scrub in the context of that one game even though by percentage I'm in the top 1 or 2%.

There are heroes in the pool that I'm just not good with, and some I'd consider myself above average with. Even at the professional level this concept holds, which is why we even have the concept of signature heroes. Dendi's Invoker, Fata's Puck, Bulldog's lone druid,burning's anti-mage. That notion is even true in the normal brackets of dota.
 
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Dandain_sl said:
There are heroes in the pool that I'm just not good with, and some I'd consider myself above average with. Even at the professional level this concept holds, which is why we even have the concept of signature heroes. Dendi's Invoker, Fata's Puck, Bulldog's lone druid,burning's anti-mage. That notion is even true in the normal brackets of dota.
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There's some heroes I've never even played. That's why I don't random, also dislike the gold advantage it feels cheesy if you random a strong hero you're good at.
 
Pyros

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LOL
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Not sure which part is funny, the additional gold being cheesy or the fact I haven't played every heroes? The list isn't very long, there's Panda, Meepo, Invoker and Medusa. Panda partly and Meepo entirely because they're micro based so I don't wanna bother(I've played Chen, Visage and Enchantress only like once too) as I'm terrible at microing complex units(Necro book is alright usually and stuff like Treants, Bear or Broodlings are fine too). Medusa because she was added when I wasn't playing and I haven't bothered playing a practice game to check her out because her skills are so obvious I don't really need to to understand her. Invoker because I'd have to learn some basic spell combos and while that's not hard it's pointless since I'm never going to play him anyway and I know all his spells just fine from haing played against him a lot and having seen him played a lot in pro games when he was top tier.

The list is quite a lot longer if I count heroes I've only played once in practice to see how their skills worked. Since I don't care about playing most heroes, I don't really bother playing them that's all there is really, I've played all the supports(other than the ones I mentionned) quite a few times and I've played many of the hard carries too but stuff like junglers and mid heroes I don't care about so I just don't play them, and there is no point in me randoming when half the heroes pretty much fit that.
 
Louis

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Not that I'm trying to convince you to play him, but I find Panda's micro a lot easier to deal with than the other heroes listed. Mostly because the 3 heroes listed depend on good hero positioning while maintaining micro of the other units and Meepo is just on whole nother level of micro. Where as with Panda you can stomp, ult, ctrl attack an enemy hero and then cycle through tab for his abilities. All that being said, I'm sure his micro can get much more complicated than that at higher levels of skill.
 
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Panda also makes players go "OH FUCK OH FUCK" and just turn and run when you ult, so you have a lot of time to cyclone and stun. Plus he's just fun mid.
 
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Panda also makes players go "OH FUCK OH FUCK" and just turn and run when you ult, so you have a lot of time to cyclone and stun. Plus he's just fun mid.
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I almost mentioned this, but didn't really want to post the enemy's reaction in normal games with someone who I know is in vhigh.
 
Pyros

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Right I don't think Panda is too hard and I've had his ult a couple of times on Rubick I know it's not too hard, however I also know his skills perfectly and I never play mid so there's very little point for me to pick him really. I don't think any hero is too hard other than Meepo which is way too micro centric for my taste but I just don't care about playing certain types of heroes so I ended up never picking them. Invoker I'm sure I could learn how to play the basic invoker in a couple of hours at most. The hero only gets complex when you get an Aghanim and reach a high enough lvl that you can use all 3 runes for spell combos, but a lot of games end before that if you go for a force staff drums phase build and even then simple combos would still do fine.

I should have said I don't random because I don't care about playing most of the heroes and I'm past the point where I can learn from playing a hero more than what I can learn from a 15mins bot game, especially for heroes that are used competitively. Then I still feel the random gold is cheesy, if I get rubick or lion and I have 850g I can buy courier+ward as usual but also stats and have some spare gold for earlier boots or a sentry and it's like easy early game. It's obviously even worse when you random an AM or a PL.
 
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Visage is great early hero when you want to learn to micro, soul assumption will give you quite a few early kills, so even if you blow at microing familiars, you can just farm mek and be useful. Of course, having 2 stuns that do damage turns her into almost broken hero.
 
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