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Why would i want to waste my time doing that, and waste the time of the other folks getting pubstomped.
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I wouldn't mind if they were resetting stats but keeping the hidden rating. Mostly I dislike that early in the beta when there were very very few keys around(200-300ppl online) I lent my account to a friend so he could play so now I have stats for heroes I don't play. But whatever I guess not a big deal.
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At least when you go pro, they can look at those heros and think "OMG! Secret strat in the works..."
Right?
Oh yeah. No one really innovates in 99% of this game.
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Well first you can look at the dates and see they were played 2years ago. On your second point, are we talking about the same game? Picks change all the time, new strats are added all the time. 3-4months ago no one played Treant, now he's top pick/ban. Naga Siren as a support in trilanes since about a month ago. Massive Visage push a couple of months ago. Fnatic picking Enigma constantly even though no one else does. Also their Meepo picks every now and then. There's a lot of teams that don't innovate and in general it's easier to stay true to what was proven to work, which generates the meta, but it's constantly changing, even when no nerfs or buffs happen(and even more so when they happen).At least when you go pro, they can look at those heros and think "OMG! Secret strat in the works..."
Right?
Oh yeah. No one really innovates in 99% of this game.
And obviously you don't mean pubs since people pick whatever in pubs all the time.
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Yes, I knew about the dates when I posted it. It was a poor attempt at humor. I wasn't expecting you to get ?defensive? about it on either point.
I can't remember how the argument went earlier in the thread, but I stand confident I'm not alone with the idea that it's that "1%" of dedicated Esports that does the majority of the innovating while the other "99%" follow trends based off the top tier adjusting to the change log. And yes, I was including the pubs. Trickle down effect and all.
I will readily admit that I enjoy the game from what I assume is completely different standing from the rest of the (RR)community (due to my ignoring the esport aspects [anyone want my player cards?]) of the game so my opinion is likely mostly moot -- hence the ?failed? attempt at humor.
I can't remember how the argument went earlier in the thread, but I stand confident I'm not alone with the idea that it's that "1%" of dedicated Esports that does the majority of the innovating while the other "99%" follow trends based off the top tier adjusting to the change log. And yes, I was including the pubs. Trickle down effect and all.
I will readily admit that I enjoy the game from what I assume is completely different standing from the rest of the (RR)community (due to my ignoring the esport aspects [anyone want my player cards?]) of the game so my opinion is likely mostly moot -- hence the ?failed? attempt at humor.
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The dates stuff was just a statement, no meaning behind it, I guess it looks like I got defensive about a joke but I guess it's more like I got confrontational because of the next statement and figured I'd tackle things in order.
Mostly I don't get your innovation statement. There are innovations, but they're only done by 1% of the people so it doesn't count or something? People who don't play the game well aren't trying to innovate hard enough? How would that work, to innovate you first need to understand what currently exists to make something different.
I'd say a good half of the people in pubs at my level don't follow competitive trends at all. You wouldn't see 30-40% of the hero pool when pubbing if everyone followed pro picks, but I still see Invoker, I still see Bloodseeker, I still see Venomancer, I see Spiritbreaker etc. They're not innovating they're just playing what they want and for the most part there is no need to innovate at pub level because anything can and will win given the proper setup and skill. That's why we had the arguments a few pages back about hero builds with people saying building item x on hero y "works" so it's good, but pretty much everything works at pub level. You want to do carry CM, if you play it well, it'll work. You're not innovating anything because it doesn't mean it's viable when playing against a proper setup and proper players, you're just doing what you want and that's fine.
So yeah there's very little innovation at a pub level, because there is nothing that requires innovation nor a base that can be improved upon. No one follows a certain mold to play pubs, people will do 2 1 2, sometimes use a jungler, sometimes run a trilane, sometimes one guy is farming ancients from lvl 1, you put a carry mid, you put a "standard" mid mid, you put an old school mid(lion, SF, mirana etc), you run no hard carry, too many hard carries, 5man supports, 5man push, lvl 1 rosh, whatever. Because there is no baseline, there is nothing to innovate upon.
Mostly I don't get your innovation statement. There are innovations, but they're only done by 1% of the people so it doesn't count or something? People who don't play the game well aren't trying to innovate hard enough? How would that work, to innovate you first need to understand what currently exists to make something different.
I'd say a good half of the people in pubs at my level don't follow competitive trends at all. You wouldn't see 30-40% of the hero pool when pubbing if everyone followed pro picks, but I still see Invoker, I still see Bloodseeker, I still see Venomancer, I see Spiritbreaker etc. They're not innovating they're just playing what they want and for the most part there is no need to innovate at pub level because anything can and will win given the proper setup and skill. That's why we had the arguments a few pages back about hero builds with people saying building item x on hero y "works" so it's good, but pretty much everything works at pub level. You want to do carry CM, if you play it well, it'll work. You're not innovating anything because it doesn't mean it's viable when playing against a proper setup and proper players, you're just doing what you want and that's fine.
So yeah there's very little innovation at a pub level, because there is nothing that requires innovation nor a base that can be improved upon. No one follows a certain mold to play pubs, people will do 2 1 2, sometimes use a jungler, sometimes run a trilane, sometimes one guy is farming ancients from lvl 1, you put a carry mid, you put a "standard" mid mid, you put an old school mid(lion, SF, mirana etc), you run no hard carry, too many hard carries, 5man supports, 5man push, lvl 1 rosh, whatever. Because there is no baseline, there is nothing to innovate upon.
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Yeah every once in a while a team forgets why they first ban Wisp and shit like this happens.
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Because he's the first hero being released in the past 2 months? Also because he's a support and I like supports. As for his competitive level, he was sometimes picked, rarely. He's basically a cockblock hero when you try to gank a hard carry or whatever. You need very good burst to kill Abaddon's target without disabling Abaddon first, which makes it hard to gank the carry directly, giving him time to escape.