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I think it's worth trying, as there are enough people reporting it to probably be real (as in not a placebo or weird shit) but it's certainly not true for everyone. I drink coffee, regularly; but I do get off it regularly as well, for a few weeks, a few months, even a whole year. And stopping does literally nothing to me. I can also drink coffee just before going to bed, and it won't do anything to my sleep.

For me it's just a no calorie, tasty warm beverage.

What's odd it that Tea will work on me, unlike coffee, as green tea (in asia) can prevent me from sleeping a whole night, green tea in the morning will give a boost, clearly.

So if you're addicted to coffee, worth a try, it's easy to get off it (2 days headaches and done... Personnaly I go 2 days with decaf and that's it, no headache, no nothing).
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For me I was having problems sleeping, due to chronic neck pain, “severe spinal stenosis.” I had a really hard time falling asleep, so I’d just lay there in pain while my mind raced. Sometimes I’d go all night without being able to fall asleep, sometimes two nights in a row. I was a fucking zombie and caffeine was keeping me going. Having no rest at all was also making my pain worse, concentration worse, etc. if I did happen to fall asleep I’d only get a few hours sleep, wake up in the early AM and just lay awake unable to get back to sleep.

Anyways I also suspected caffeine was attributing to the problem so I kept cutting back how much I had in a day plus cutting my ingestion time back until I wasn’t drinking any past 9:30 AM.

So in November last year I came down with a flu/bug and was sick for a few days and didn’t drink any, just slept with NyQuil as much as possible. Once I went four days with no caffeine I was beyond any withdrawals so I just said fuck it I’ll try no caffeine and just drink vitamin B water instead.

It was an almost instantaneous change in several things I didn’t even realize was caffeine related. I can now fall asleep in minutes of laying down at night, and sleep all night. My concentration and brain fog is WAY better. My fucking sinuses cleared up and I was able to completely stop a steroid nasal spray I’d had to use for a couple years because my sinuses stopped draining and it was affecting my hearing. My neck pain is still there but better, due to resting every night. My anxiety levels went way down to almost nonexistent and I got off the anxiety meds I took occasionally. No more mid day crashing, I have decent energy all the time now.

Pretty crazy that just a little caffeine each morning was fucking me up that bad.
 
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For me I was having problems sleeping, due to chronic neck pain, “severe spinal stenosis.” I had a really hard time falling asleep, so I’d just lay there in pain while my mind raced. Sometimes I’d go all night without being able to fall asleep, sometimes two nights in a row. I was a fucking zombie and caffeine was keeping me going. Having no rest at all was also making my pain worse, concentration worse, etc. if I did happen to fall asleep I’d only get a few hours sleep, wake up in the early AM and just lay awake unable to get back to sleep.

Anyways I also suspected caffeine was attributing to the problem so I kept cutting back how much I had in a day plus cutting my ingestion time back until I wasn’t drinking any past 9:30 AM.

So in November last year I came down with a flu/bug and was sick for a few days and didn’t drink any, just slept with NyQuil as much as possible. Once I went four days with no caffeine I was beyond any withdrawals so I just said fuck it I’ll try no caffeine and just drink vitamin B water instead.

It was an almost instantaneous change in several things I didn’t even realize was caffeine related. I can now fall asleep in minutes of laying down at night, and sleep all night. My concentration and brain fog is WAY better. My fucking sinuses cleared up and I was able to completely stop a steroid nasal spray I’d had to use for a couple years braise my sinuses stopped draining and it was affecting my hearing. My neck pain is still there but better, due to resting every night. My anxiety levels went way down to almost nonexistent and I got off the anxiety meds I took occasionally. No more mid day crashing, I have decent energy all the time now.

Pretty crazy that just a little caffeine each morning was fucking me up that bad.
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Sounds a bit like my experience with Adderall, another drug I suggest steering clear of. One of the things I was on in the 2010s and ended up having issues with, got off of it in 2019.

It helped me get things done, for sure, but it had a few issues. A) Reduced sex drive to the point of rejecting it, B) Inability to sleep (I would often skip a sleep cycle and be awake for two days, off of one single morning dose, which helped with the Selo launch in EQ at least), C) I would run-on type and talk, meaning I would talk people's ears off or write incredibly verbose messages and emails constantly, to the point that I was getting "TLDR"s from friends because I was sending them these huge essays. I remember a couple times talking to my mom on the phone for like 3 hours and later she'd tell me that she almost couldn't get a word in for the entire 3 hours, which was the thing that made me stop the Adderall. I've heard that one can have heart problems with long-term use as well.
 
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Coke was fun to have every now and then back in the day but now that shit sometimes gets cut with fentanyl.

No fun allowed.
 
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Coke was fun to have every now and then back in the day but now that shit sometimes gets cut with fentanyl.

No fun allowed.
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Yeah, impression I get is that they're cutting fentanyl into all kinds of stuff to boost the high for pennies on the dollar and profit.

I haven't beaten the habit yet but in the last couple weeks I consistently cut my dosage to 25% of what it was, and have currently maintained that level for over a week. Just can't get it down to zero. Seeing doc on the 17th and giving myself until then to see if I can willpower through it. Would be cool to have at least a temporary full win on my own strength before Suboxone shows up like the ghost army at the end of ROTK and scrubs this stuff from my drug receptors. Then I'll be able to say I quit something half as strong as Fentanyl through sheer determination. But if I don't get it all the way down in time, I still done good fighting this, I would say.
 
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Sorry but that’s basically the same thing. The smoke shop is misrepresenting what they’re selling, just like a gas station pill. I have these Indian smoke shops in my town, as well as a couple gas stations that have sections in them that sell the identical products that the smoke shop is selling. It’s not different, the smoke shop just has a larger selection.

Also, kratom functions the exact same way that the pill you took, and how opioids function. They bind to your opioid receptor and are addictive and hard to get off of. Some are just harder than others. Kratom is not some harmless happy go lucky pill like you’re making it out to be, it’s just easier to manage.

Here’s free advice. Stay off of every drug you can, especially from gas stations or smoke shops, and I highly include caffeine in that. I quit caffeine cold turkey last year and holy fuck it was an extreme life change. I had no idea cause I’ve been drinking it my entire life basically. Use diet and exercise to enhance your mood or life outlook instead and you won’t go searching for magic life improving pills, they do not exist unless you’re combating some specific health issue.
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What benefits did you see after quitting caffeine? I’m a pretty heavy user.. 100-250mg a day
 
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Not seeing doc on the 17th after all, I seem to have possibly kicked this on my own. Once I stopped really trying to force cold turkey quits and just minimized it (i.e. only taking a little bit every once in a while and distracting myself with other things) it seemed to get easier on its own to take less and less. Almost at 24 hours without it for the first time in months, and basically feel fine outside of being energy-flatlined, so...I guess it worked out? If I get through tonight without it, then that'll be the first day (sleep to sleep) without it. I'm gonna go for it.

Still going to see a specialist and get hooked up with Suboxone in case I have a resurgence of the addiction, which is entirely possible at any given time. Two week dose should clear my system and also not be enough to form its own habit, but we'll see. Even if getting off of it turned out to not be the epic ordeal it initially seemed to be, it's still important to warn people about this (extremely pleasant) shit so they can make sure their kids stay away from it.
 
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Maybe it shouldn't be a surprise where shit like this turns up, but thought it was a bit funny. Was watching a police video of a 140 MPH chase and while searching the perp's car one of the cops says he thinks they found Kraytom. None of them knew what the fuck it truly is, including the guy who possibly mistakenly IDed it (seemingly). So it looks like it may not be on Law Enforcement radar yet for driving while intoxicated, if it really mimics Heroin's effects.

Timestamped to the vehicle search:
 
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What benefits did you see after quitting caffeine? I’m a pretty heavy user.. 100-250mg a day
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I've been a heavy caffeine user my whole life and quit about 7 months ago. My entire life I've never slept well (toss and turn) and rarely had dreams. I slept in all the time and was constantly tired. On a workday I would go back to sleep for up to an hour but on the weekends, it was common for me to sleep in several hours after everyone else got up.

Within about two weeks of quitting, I started sleeping phenomenally. The headaches took about 4 days to go away.

I can fall asleep in under 30 minutes, instead of hours.
I dream regularly and pretty vividly.
When I get up in the morning, I may lay there for 5-10 minutes but I don't doze back off for an hour+ like I used to.
 
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Rajaah said:
Not seeing doc on the 17th after all, I seem to have possibly kicked this on my own. Once I stopped really trying to force cold turkey quits and just minimized it (i.e. only taking a little bit every once in a while and distracting myself with other things) it seemed to get easier on its own to take less and less. Almost at 24 hours without it for the first time in months, and basically feel fine outside of being energy-flatlined, so...I guess it worked out? If I get through tonight without it, then that'll be the first day (sleep to sleep) without it. I'm gonna go for it.

Still going to see a specialist and get hooked up with Suboxone in case I have a resurgence of the addiction, which is entirely possible at any given time. Two week dose should clear my system and also not be enough to form its own habit, but we'll see. Even if getting off of it turned out to not be the epic ordeal it initially seemed to be, it's still important to warn people about this (extremely pleasant) shit so they can make sure their kids stay away from it.
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I'd just be aware that you have an addictive personality for these type of drugs, and steer clear of them in the future. Some people take their oxy for their back or whatever and don't desire more, and others end up fiending for it. It's nothing to do with being weak or stupid etc - the drug just plugs into certain people's brains differently. For you, it plugs into the "want more" pretty heavily.

Just be aware of that in the future and act accordingly. You did the right thing tapering down here as that is what they would have done to you in rehab as well.
 
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Hateyou said:
Sorry but that’s basically the same thing. The smoke shop is misrepresenting what they’re selling, just like a gas station pill. I have these Indian smoke shops in my town, as well as a couple gas stations that have sections in them that sell the identical products that the smoke shop is selling. It’s not different, the smoke shop just has a larger selection.

Also, kratom functions the exact same way that the pill you took, and how opioids function. They bind to your opioid receptor and are addictive and hard to get off of. Some are just harder than others. Kratom is not some harmless happy go lucky pill like you’re making it out to be, it’s just easier to manage.

Here’s free advice. Stay off of every drug you can, especially from gas stations or smoke shops, and I highly include caffeine in that. I quit caffeine cold turkey last year and holy fuck it was an extreme life change. I had no idea cause I’ve been drinking it my entire life basically. Use diet and exercise to enhance your mood or life outlook instead and you won’t go searching for magic life improving pills, they do not exist unless you’re combating some specific health issue.
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+1 on the dump caffeine. We drink it so much daily that you forget what it's like to not be on it.

Go back to living how God and nature intended. Unprocessed foods and water as much as feasible.
 
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fred sanford said:
I've been a heavy caffeine user my whole life and quit about 7 months ago. My entire life I've never slept well (toss and turn) and rarely had dreams. I slept in all the time and was constantly tired. On a workday I would go back to sleep for up to an hour but on the weekends, it was common for me to sleep in several hours after everyone else got up.

Within about two weeks of quitting, I started sleeping phenomenally. The headaches took about 4 days to go away.

I can fall asleep in under 30 minutes, instead of hours.
I dream regularly and pretty vividly.
When I get up in the morning, I may lay there for 5-10 minutes but I don't doze back off for an hour+ like I used to.
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I drink caffeine rarely. Went from 5 energy drinks a day to only coffee a bit over a decade ago. About 5 years back I almost completely killed coffee from my life too. I sleep better and stay awake better too. I have around 2-3 coffees a year, basically just to give me a kick on the rare day I gotta toss my schedule in the air, eg I gotta wake up at 2AM or staying up all night on a drive. Its way more effective then and I'm not worried about fucking up my sleep because I basically already am.

I feel like that's a healthy balance for me.
 
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Sanrith Descartes said:
+1 on the dump caffeine. We drink it so much daily that you forget what it's like to not be on it.

Go back to living how God and nature intended. Unprocessed foods and water as much as feasible.
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Blasphemy. You'll take my caffeine from my dead but shaking hands. If god didn't want me to get jolted and giddy by means of brown beans he shouldn't have designed them so! But, yeah, +1 to move to the need for daily stimulants, eating healthy, and drinking microplastic free water in moderation.
 
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