Electronic Dance Music

Another hipster challenger appears.

Being there first doesn't determine a hipster. Attitude determines a hipster

Araysar_sl said:

That's what all the butthurt newbs say because the people knowledgeable about the music don't succumb to the false notion that 'your ignorance is just as good as my knowledge'.

Keep listening to the Nickelbacks of "EDM"

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I must have explained this a thousand times in this very thread and you just don't get it. When a person first gets into something new, whether it be a new music genre, art, fancy food, movies, books, you name it, his taste is going to be extremely unrefined. It HAS to be. The "good" stuff will go undiscovered for a while, and even if he discovers it, he won't know it's good. Over time, as he explores his tastes, he starts finding bits of what he really likes, and starts to shed the old stuff. This universally applies to 100% of people, including you.

Most reasonable people are aware of this fact when they start getting into something new. Do you see a single person in this thread saying "your music sucks Araysar, Avicii is the bomb!" No, because all they know is something sounds good to them and they want to hear more. They also know they don't know much, and that it's ludicrous to criticize someone who has done it for years. As time passes and someone explores his taste in more detail, and more refinement, they take one of two paths. The first group starts liking the commercial stuff less and less, and continues exploring what they're really into. If they want to share what they've found with others who aren't quite at that point yet, they do so in a positive manner, a "hey check this out, you might like it" sort of way. The second group develops an elitist attitude. Having found what's "good", they start deriding other people for liking what's "bad". They are the hipsters.See, the first group dislikes the "bad" stuff, aesthetically, just as much as the 2nd group.But most of them don't go around making it their personal mission to shit on everyone who is filing into the venue at a David Guetta performance.

The hipster and the hater are very closely related. They derive joy not from enjoyment of refined pleasures, but from feelings of superiority over the ability to identify refined pleasures.

Most of the USA is new to electronic music. The Aviciis and Guettas are necessary introductions to the genre. If I hadn't heard Levels at every god damn bar I went to in Southeast Asia exactly a year ago, I would have never gotten into electronic music. I listened to the shit out of Levels and loved it. By the fall, I'd have rather listened to nothing than hear that song. I messed around with Ableton and made a mix for my siblings (also new to the genre and loving it) with all the new "more refined" stuff I discovered. 2 months later, I hated every single song on the mix. It has to be that way. It's a fucking law of aesthetics or something.

So I'm getting really fucking tired of this elitist attitude. In an aesthetic field, OF COURSE more people are going to like "bad" stuff than "good" stuff, because by definition, what makes something have mass appeal is also what makes it have less refined appeal. If you want to share what you like in an effort to evolve people's taste, share it. But you're getting no god damn where shitting on any and everything people post that doesn't meet your standards. You discourage people from sharing stuff here. I guarantee people have wanted to share stuff and then reconsidered because they don't want to be insulted by you. So what you're actually doing is exactly what you hate: helping to keep people listening to David Guetta. Because if I don't post Armin's new album, the Guetta fans are missing a rung in the ladder from commercial music to refined music. If someone else doesn't post another artist, I miss that rung from Armin to the next step up the ladder. Your criticism is preventing people from posting new rungs on the ladder, leaving me to build my own.

I know so little about electronic music that if someone asks me what music I like, all I can say is "electronic," which isn't even a genre. The best specificity I can offer is "I seem to like a lot of trance." Yet I love this medium so much. Since I discovered it, it has literally improved my enjoyment of life significantly. I went from listening to music only to stave off boredom (car, gym, etc), to listening to it 24/7. Some songs I hear for the first time and literally feel a wave of joy go over my body. When I first heard that Mindcircus track, I listened to it on repeat 4 times just laying on the couch like I was drugged or something. It was better than sex. I love this thread because it helps me discover more of this music medium faster than I can through Spotify radio or various recorded DJ sets.

I know that I don't know much, and Araysar when you post stuff that I don't particularly like, I think "well, I'll probably end up liking it later on" because I know what I don't know. Of all the posters here, I make sure to listen to everything you post because you are probably the closest to an expert we have here. Yet I've considered putting you on ignore multiple times because the unmitigated hate of everything below your standards is just fucking infuriating. Rather than spreading the word of "good" music here, your main accomplishment has been to censor others, thuspreventingpeople from climbing the ladder to the "good" music you so advocate. David Guetta thanks you.

Well said. You summed it up perfectly.

Dabamf_sl said:

I must have explained this a thousand times in this very thread and you just don't get it. When a person first gets into something new, whether it be a new music genre, art, fancy food, movies, books, you name it, his taste is going to be extremely unrefined. It HAS to be. The "good" stuff will go undiscovered for a while, and even if he discovers it, he won't know it's good. Over time, as he explores his tastes, he starts finding bits of what he really likes, and starts to shed the old stuff. This universally applies to 100% of people, including you.

Most reasonable people are aware of this fact when they start getting into something new. Do you see a single person in this thread saying "your music sucks Araysar, Avicii is the bomb!" No, because all they know is something sounds good to them and they want to hear more. They also know they don't know much, and that it's ludicrous to criticize someone who has done it for years. As time passes and someone explores his taste in more detail, and more refinement, they take one of two paths. The first group starts liking the commercial stuff less and less, and continues exploring what they're really into. If they want to share what they've found with others who aren't quite at that point yet, they do so in a positive manner, a "hey check this out, you might like it" sort of way. The second group develops an elitist attitude. Having found what's "good", they start deriding other people for liking what's "bad". They are the hipsters.See, the first group dislikes the "bad" stuff, aesthetically, just as much as the 2nd group.But most of them don't go around making it their personal mission to shit on everyone who is filing into the venue at a David Guetta performance.

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I agree with most of your post, but I felt like I needed to comment on this part. The most important thing to remember is to be open minded. Even though I consider myself a casual fan of "electronic music" compared to some in this thread, I can trace my interest in electronic music back to time I spent in Europe in the 90's. Despite this, I still enjoy the Avicii's and Guettas of the world to this day. You can consider it shitty taste or what have you, but at the end of the day it's all subjective (perhaps unless you are viewing it as an art form where, as a creator, you learn to appreciate certain facets of the music that you didn't as a listener, and this may be a fundamental split of different groups in this thread).

Having said that, this is a thread named after a very broad and vague category of music, and anything that someone may consider as falling into that category is something I will potentially like and should be shared. So no matter what anyone says in this thread, if you think it might be EDM, post it - there's a good chance it will be new and enjoyable to someone out there, even if they don't post. That is the point of this thread, after all, to share and discover.

Not sure if srs. If so, that has to be an FOH first - admission of being in the wrong. Kudos to you, sir, if srs.

Really good progressive track.

This is old, but I came across it again today and never cease to be amazed by it.



And some more Madeon just for good measure.

Don't like most of their stuff, but I like this: