EQ TLP - Mischief (Free Trade / Random Loot)

Kuro

Kuro

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If the gear is All/All that means it'll work with pets, right?
 
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mtnhmr

mtnhmr

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All/All + no drop.

Classes would simply mutate.

Super cool to build that battle cleric or enhance shaman.
 
Zog

Zog

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There are some pretty broken items in the hands of other classes. Velious cleric legs and even a donals bp come to mind right off the bat... Everyone having a clicky 96% rez would be amazing though.

All melee having monk clicky bard haste and their own ghetto avatar from cudgel or even easier the kunark shield.

Shard of night is a 21/24 1h sk piercer that would absolutely break rogues in as early as kunark.

Broken is definitely an understatement but it would be a lot of fun.
 
Cinge

Cinge

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Daidraco said:
Thats like 90% of the fun of EQ.
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You can tell when someone has never actually had to decide loot for a guild. Either DKP or council. it's not fun at all and you learn really fast that your fellow guildmates are all whiners to the extreme.
 
Daidraco

Daidraco

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Cinge said:
You can tell when someone has never actually had to decide loot for a guild. Either DKP or council. it's not fun at all and you learn really fast that your fellow guildmates are all whiners to the extreme.
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The drama, not the actual responsibility of the loot. But yea, Ive never been an officer or anything /s.
 
Ambiturner

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Zog said:
There are some pretty broken items in the hands of other classes. Velious cleric legs and even a donals bp come to mind right off the bat... Everyone having a clicky 96% rez would be amazing though.

All melee having monk clicky bard haste and their own ghetto avatar from cudgel or even easier the kunark shield.

Shard of night is a 21/24 1h sk piercer that would absolutely break rogues in as early as kunark.

Broken is definitely an understatement but it would be a lot of fun.
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That piercer having no backstab damage means rogues lose again

This idea is ok for a short term event server, but absolutely retarded unless you want everyone pigeonholed into like 4 classes.

mtnhmr said:
All/All + no drop.

Classes would simply mutate.

Super cool to build that battle cleric or enhance shaman.
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You must not actually play if you believe either of those things
 
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Mrniceguy

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Ambiturner said:
Would backstab even do anything if there's no backstab damage on the weapon? That's why I don't think this would do anything for them since only rogue usable weapons have backstab damage on them
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The backstab Damage is just a bonus on top of the normal damage. So a Tantor's Tusk would double backstab for like 2.5-3k+2.5k-3k on a good round.

DickTrickle said:
And then they instantly get aggro and can't backstab anymore!
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That's not how melee agro works and Rogues get an agro dump on TLPs.
 
Ambiturner

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Mrniceguy said:
The backstab Damage is just a bonus on top of the normal damage. So a Tantor's Tusk would double backstab for like 2.5-3k+2.5k-3k on a good round.



That's not how melee agro works and Rogues get an agro dump on TLPs.
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No, that's wrong.

You're thinking +backstab damage, which is different than than backstab damage that is on rogue piercing weapons that's the amount of damage taken into account for backstabs
 
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DickTrickle

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You can absolutely take sizeable aggro with a giant crit or hit if you're close enough to the tank's threat, especially if we're talking about multi thousand hits in velious. That's how a paladin can rip aggro off a warrior in frostcrypt if they get lucky. No, you're not going to join in out of the blue and take it with one hit, but I wasn't saying that. Their agro drop isn't fully reliable until POP.

I mean, it might not be a problem if warriors are dual wielding Frostwrath and that stun knight weapon, but I think it would be a bigger issue than it usually is in those eras.
 
Zaide

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I look forward to the multi page backstab / melee threat argument that's about to take place.
 
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Mrniceguy

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Ambiturner said:
No, that's wrong.

You're thinking +backstab damage, which is different than than backstab damage that is on rogue piercing weapons that's the amount of damage taken into account for backstabs
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Trident of Slaughter. Feel free to test it yourself.

Also +Backstab is on a lot of things besides weapons unless you meant %backstab.

DickTrickle said:
You can absolutely take sizeable aggro with a giant crit or hit if you're close enough to the tank's threat, especially if we're talking about multi thousand hits in velious. That's how a paladin can rip aggro off a warrior in frostcrypt if they get lucky. No, you're not going to join in out of the blue and take it with one hit, but I wasn't saying that. Their agro drop isn't fully reliable until POP.

I mean, it might not be a problem if warriors are dual wielding Frostwrath and that stun knight weapon, but I think it would be a bigger issue than it usually is in those eras.
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Damage is really irrelevant to melee threat generation. Number of swings and procs are really the only relevant things.

Rogues have a "hidden ability" called evade which lowers threat when you use hide in combat.
 
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