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Caliane

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more /things that I think are poorly implemented.
All these games do this. I've noted many of time I think romancing, etc in these rpgs is retarded, and kindof hate it. its often intrusive. Mass Effect was really bad about this. Stop fucking hitting on me, just because I talked to you, and didnt call you a shithead very 30 seconds.
Garvey does that shit here. "can we talk" Can we talk can we talk. or whatever the hell his "i love you" speech is.

But what I really want to talk about is, how they work in the first place. Likes and dislikes. they make little sense. Almost all of the like/dislikes are a carbon copy of that character themselves. Which is stupid both from a gameplay perspective, and from relationship one.
its like having two rogues in one party. you don't need two people picking locks, so why they hell would the other rogue LOVE seeing someone else do their job? Likes/dislikes should reflect this more.
A character should like someone that compliments them in combat or in personality, and/or someone that they want to be, but not necessarily are.
The second aspect of this is of course character growth. Multiple companions have some character growth in their loyalty missions. I'll use Cait since shes not to plot related, and not to spoilery. She outright says, she learned to trust, and wants to be a more generous person, as well of course, gets off the chems. So why, does she still like, when you are greedy, hate when you are generous, like when you do chems after her loyalty mission?
 

HUH_sl

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They just wanted that sweet free tumblr comic advertising that Bioware gets from their romances. It's a half assed, minimum work required effort that only exists for that extra bit of publicity. Each "romance" is literally three extra sentences of dialog. I mean at least give us an awkwardly animated sex scene!
 

Void

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The only real reason to worry about a romance is to get the Lover's Embrace perk for a short time after resting. I knock the bottom out of Piper for an hour quite often just for that reason. Hell, if I'm below 100% health and there is a bed nearby, why not?

And as stated before, Piper would actually be about the furthest thing from a girl I'd want to actually date in real life (she's practically a walking SJW advertisement), but she's got a great voice, and as far as the chicks in this game go (which are pretty terrible, let's be honest), she's about the hottest. Oh, and she's super easy to max rep with. It took me fucking forever to get MacReady, but Piper was creaming those jeans in no time.
 

Jait

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My wife has found out there is a dog companion in this game so when she comes upstairs and I'm playing she demands I port to Sanctuary to "check in" on Dogmeat. She was also upset I sold my characters wedding ring immediately after leaving cryo.
You should take away her shoes. She's obviously already literate, and you let her near your computer. So it may be too late.
 

Cybsled

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I've never ran Piper as a companion because her mannerisms when you first meet her annoy me to hell and I find her face punchable
Her intro at the gate to Diamond City is a little iffy (gate+mayor argument) and what I assume turns most people off, but she gets much better once you get past that.

I know there are tons of Curie master-race folks, but I personally find her boring ;p Piper #1.
 

Tenks

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I was just glad on my current playthrough (playing a female this time so I guess I can't bottom out Piper?) I'm finally at Lone Wanderer 2 so I can dump my companion. The number of time that asshole Codsworth came out of no where to intercept my Molotov and kill us both was too damn high.

Can I get Strong to take me roughly?
 

Caliane

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I liked Cait after getting her honestly. Felt like someone I would actually want running around the Commonwealth with. Piper not so much.

MacReady I find a bit dumb. "my son came down with a deadly disease. so I left him in the Capital, to go to the Commonwealth, 400 miles away, and find a cure. Then I spent 1-3 years working as a mercenary/highered gun. oh, then I started following you around for a few weeks, to 3 months, before even bringing this up. Btw, I know about this med center that might cure him, despite not actually having any evidence of a cure, just note of a guy who had the same disease and died before getting cured himself. and now, that we GOT the cure, I'm just going to send in on a caravan back to my son, instead of taking it myself. he'll be fine. btw, who is shaun again?"
 

Fadaar

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Messing around in the RR and decided to have some physics fun. Fucker still won't stop talking though.



Edit: It gets better

 

VariaVespasa_sl

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My wife has found out there is a dog companion in this game so when she comes upstairs and I'm playing she demands I port to Sanctuary to "check in" on Dogmeat. She was also upset I sold my characters wedding ring immediately after leaving cryo.
Dont forget to sell your husband/wifes wedding ring too! :p
 

Cybsled

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I was just glad on my current playthrough (playing a female this time so I guess I can't bottom out Piper?) I'm finally at Lone Wanderer 2 so I can dump my companion. The number of time that asshole Codsworth came out of no where to intercept my Molotov and kill us both was too damn high.

Can I get Strong to take me roughly?
Romances with characters aren't gender dependent. So female/female and male/male don't take any extra work vs. male/female (although the ladykiller/black widow perks help when using vs the opposing gender). You can also have multiple romances if you want, but if you flirt with a romanced character nearby, you'll take some affinity hits depending on who is nearby. Only characters you can romance are Piper, Cait, Curie (after you do her affinity quest at 499 affection, otherwise she caps at that level until you do the quest), Preston, Danse, and Hancock.

Piper seems to be the only character with in-game dialogue supporting the fact they are ok with either side of the fence. If you go to the Third Rail and talk with Magnolia, some of the dialogue choices cause Piper to reveal she thinks Magnolia has a nice set, then she corrects it nice set of songs, then she gets all flustered. Cait also mentions that it is too bad you can't be a threesome when you swap her out for Piper, although Piper shoots that down.

You can loot their body? I thought they were behind the cryo wall.
You can open their cryopod if you use the control box next to it. Your character takes the ring and vows to find the murderer. You can actually do this first thing when you first exit your pod. If you bring some companions down to her frozen body, some of them will also make a comment on it.
 

Amzin

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So maybe I'm doing something wrong, but I have a question about... decorating, I guess. I took a bunch of misc junk to display in my house in Sanctuary, spent a good 20 minutes setting stuff up, finding places, making it look like home, and giving up on umbrella stands. It looked fine, until I left and came back and everything just looked like it had been picked up and dropped from high up. Some stuff just seemed to be missing (probably flew outside somewhere) but mostly it's just chaos in there now. I see tons of pics people post of set ups with junk on display, how does anyone get it to stay like that? Or did I fuck something up?

For that matter, if my placed junk just randomly cyclones around, why doesn't all the pre-placed stuff in the game?

I guess typing it out, it sounds more like somehow I triggered something that fucked it all up somehow. But still, ideas would be rad.
 

Big Phoenix

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I wouldn't waste time on the base building, it has absolutely zero impact on the game.
 

Tenks

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So maybe I'm doing something wrong, but I have a question about... decorating, I guess. I took a bunch of misc junk to display in my house in Sanctuary, spent a good 20 minutes setting stuff up, finding places, making it look like home, and giving up on umbrella stands. It looked fine, until I left and came back and everything just looked like it had been picked up and dropped from high up. Some stuff just seemed to be missing (probably flew outside somewhere) but mostly it's just chaos in there now. I see tons of pics people post of set ups with junk on display, how does anyone get it to stay like that? Or did I fuck something up?

For that matter, if my placed junk just randomly cyclones around, why doesn't all the pre-placed stuff in the game?

I guess typing it out, it sounds more like somehow I triggered something that fucked it all up somehow. But still, ideas would be rad.
I don't know all the in's and outs of shit but pretty often when I load up a zone and there are already dead corpses one or two will load slow and just fall from the sky. I wouldn't be shocked if thats what happened to you as well. Maybe the game does that so it doesn't need to try and determine the collision it just lets the engine handle it by dropping shit.
 

Vorph

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I see tons of pics people post of set ups with junk on display, how does anyone get it to stay like that?
They don't. They take a screenshot and then roll the dice every time they leave that cell and return later. Might not happen immediately but sooner or later it's going to disappear, or at least get all fucked up like what you saw.

Pre-placed stuff is different because it's done by the game files, not in the savegame. Unless your savegame overrides what the game files say, that stuff will always be placed where the designer put it.
 

Cybsled

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From what I understand, the game loads the small shit 1st, so it spawns in and falls to the ground, then the large stuff spawns in. There is supposed to be a way to fix it. I think someone mentioned if you place them while in settlement build mode, it helps.
 

Vorph

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And yes, definitely place things in settlement mode, not by holding down the A button/E key. That won't stop things from [maybe] disappearing though, the only 'safe' objects are the ones you craft via the settlement menus. If you decide to make a pyramid of Nuka-cola Quantums... good luck.
 

Jozu

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Strong with grognaks axe is hilarious.

I just sit back and enjoy the show. He is waaaay better than Garvey. And he likes milk.