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Sinzar

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Rengak said:
Is lion heart much better than Knights charge for healers? I use Knights charge, should I get lion heart?
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Knight's charge is +25% SB gauge per action and per damage taken
Lionheart is +50% SB gauge per damage taken

Lionheart is superior if you take damage more than once per round (for example against bosses with super speed, like mote ifrit)
Knight's charge is the same if you take damage at least once per round, and superior if you take damage less than once per round.

Both are good in different situations, it's worth farming, especially since without this event, the cheapest FF8 dungeon you can run is like 35 stamina (and it's not any of the dailies), so it's a major pain to farm.
 
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Sinzar

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Beat the Ultimate and Ultimate+ with a standard team (no cid mission). Maybe I'll come back to the cid mission, but I'd have to growth egg some more characters, and hone some more abilities. Not sure if it's worth it with 0 synergy, but maybe if I have some free time later on.
 
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the FF8 CM was much easier than i expected. only unique SBs i have for FF8 are Squall's SSB (barely did more damage than Blizzara Strike), Rinoa's lightning one (which i didn't even use), and Selphie's ooooold Medica (original Selphie Stick) which is only slightly better than shared medicas.

had those three characters at level 80, and Seipher and Irvine a bit past level 65.

Squall - Snowstorm Strike + Blizzara Strike, +DMG RM
Seipher - Dark Bargain + Banishing Strike, w/ shared Shellga armor and Mako Might
Irvine - Full Break + Magic Breakdown, w/ this odd old shared SB hat (details below)
Selphie - Curaja + Diaga, +SB charge RM
Rinoa - Chain Blizzaga + Bizzaja, doublecast RM

Divine Guardian RW

that hat i had on Irvine has a single-target small heal and a magic boost equivalent to Vivi's default SB. i used it on Rinoa once he got a charge, and had Rinoa hold off on the Chain Blizzagas til after that.

Rinoa was the champ, dealing just under 9999 damage with ever Blizzaja and just under 19,998 damage with every Chain Blizzaga.

i had read that the thing only does physical attacks in the first 30% of its health, so i was able to completely ignore physical mitigation. it took two S/Ls before he didn't take out wimpy Irvine right away, but once i made it past 70% with everyone still alive i was okay.

i think this one is doable without any native unique SBs.
 
Chris

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Bring 1 mage max, counter reflect happens almost every turn so you need to dispel before using magic. Banishing Strike often triggers counter reflect if you hit the boss with it when it has no reflect, so only use it reactively and never preemptively.

Or you can bring your own reflect if you can heal without using single target magic, and bounce magic off yourself.
 
Angelwatch

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Well I just drew my first Cloud relic. Cloud's Guise... Then I drew my second Cloud relic. Ragnarok baby!
 
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Angelwatch said:
Well I just drew my first Cloud relic. Cloud's Guise... Then I drew my second Cloud relic. Ragnarok baby!
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Congrats! Cloud's guise is sneaky good to begin with, and that pairing is superb! Find an en-wind SB (hi, Zidane) and go ham!
 
Rengak

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1 pull netted me 2 Apocalypse, 1 Crystal Comb, and a Ragnarok. I guess this makes up for still not having Ramzas shout.
 
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Pulled and got Ragnarok, Cloud's Guide, Yufie's cross thing, and a rando ice staff. Also have Thancred's dagger with +wind for the sweet trinity. My cloud just went from completely useless to pretty awesome.
 
Croetec

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Pulled an Apocalypse and Aerith's BSB, seems pretty good with the big heal and group heal on the burst.
 
Chris

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100 gem got me Cid SSB goggles, great!

My FF7 synergy is outstanding with a bsb and three ssbs, full weapons and armour at 5-7 star.

Still tempted to pull, Aeris BSB is the true prize I think.
 
Angelwatch

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I agree. Aertith's BSB is the true grand prize on this banner. It's not the best healer BSB but it's Aerith's first really good healing relic and it's still very solid.

I still don't think Cloud's Ragnarok is worth chasing on this banner but the one difference is that OSBs are much more uniform than SSBs and BSBs. They are all pretty much the same except for the realm and element attached to it. So in this case you don't have situations like Organics and Fusion Sword where Cloud gets his first and it gets outclassed by relics in the same tier within a couple of weeks of release.
 
Mures

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I was wondering if the new 6* items had a different orb when my question was answered right away as I had two disco balls in my 11 pull, and I also got cloud's guise.

I should not combine the ragnarok's right? It is tempting, but that bad boy has like 40 attack over any other weapon previously so it would be great for realms where synergy is hard to come by.

First time using the osb, it hit for 42k in a 160 difficulty ultimate. Some buffs/debuffs lapsed the next couple of times and it hit for 28k, but organics would have probably only hit for 12-15k so still a big buff. Hadn't tried it after using climhazzard yet, that should make it hit even harder yes?
 
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Angelwatch

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I still say it would depend on the rest of your VII synergy and synergy in other realms but I'd lean towards keeping them separate. One thing that is easy to overlook is that Ragnarok is a natural 6 star so the stats are insane. All of our other 6 star relics came from combining lesser relics so they aren't quite as strong. So it's likely to be one of your best swords in a realm your synergy is lacking.

Yes, if you Climhazzard and then use the OSB you should be hitting really hard. I'm not really sure what the optimal move set is to get the most damage is. Fights tend to be short enough that its hard to keep filling the SB gauge to get maximum results but I think you want to build some gauge, use Climhazzard to get the wind buff and then hit the OSB to finish a boss off. If the boss is weak to wind you'll likely hit damage cap with minimal buffs and debuffs.
 
Mures

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VII synergy is insane(including an organics pumped up with a number of augments so its a shame it seems those will go to waste now), but the two ragnaroks would be my best two swords in realms core, 1, 2, 3, 10, 14, FFT, and any of the shit with hero synergies(and VII obviously though I have very good swords there already).

And yeah, I think anything below 160 difficulty will die too fast for climhazzard + final strike, I'll let you know how delicious it is once I get to play with it some more.
 
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Angelwatch

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Definitely keep them separate. You'll get more mileage out of them that way. You can always combine them later if you want but can't uncombine them.

I pulled the two as well (Ragnarok and Guise) so I'm looking forward to, personally, trying out the combo :)
 
Chris

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What's the point of the combo? Won't two OSB casts out damage one OSB and one SB cast even with en wind?

Seems like fun for big numbers but not practically useful.
 
Sinzar

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OSB x2 is 24.00 modifier, SSB then OSB is 23.11 modifier, so yeah OSB twice is superior. If you build up 3 LB gauges then unleash them all back to back, SSB for en-wind then OSB x2 does pull ahead though.
 
Angelwatch

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I just tested it. Keep in mind there are a LOT of variables but I went with a very minimal proof of concept test. I went after 160 Ultima Weapon from the 5 Dooms. I did zero debuffs and zero attack buffs.

Test 1: OSB x2 was 32k damage

Test 2: Climhazzard followed by OSB was 37k damage. Climhazzard did 7k and the OSB did 30k.
 
Croetec

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Aerith's BSB feels so good the spammable group heal is insanely helpful against cheesy aoe bosses.
 
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