Final Fantasy VII Remake

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DoctorSpooge_sl said:
X along with VII is considered (no citation but for the legion of admirers I encounter on various forums) to be the apex of the series.
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I know I can't speak with authority about post-VII FFs, but VI set a really,reallyhigh standard for RPGs (and, frankly, video games in general), so it's hard for me to imagine another game in the series being the "apex". VII gets a lot of love (and with good reason), but it was still in that awkward phase of learning how to make proper use of new technology (something that I get the impression also applies to X). VI was well past the "learning the ropes" stage of the SNES; it knew the tech inside and out and maximized it to create the best possible experience the system could deliver. Maybe it was just the innocence of youth, but VI (III at the time) rocked my world and redefined my expectations of video games from that point on, something that I can only say about a handful of games (such as Super Mario 3, Metal Gear Solid, and Symphony of the Night).
 
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Tanoomba_sl said:
I know I can't speak with authority about post-VII FFs, but VI set a really,reallyhigh standard for RPGs (and, frankly, video games in general), so it's hard for me to imagine another game in the series being the "apex". VII gets a lot of love (and with good reason), but it was still in that awkward phase of learning how to make proper use of new technology (something that I get the impression also applies to X). VI was well past the "learning the ropes" stage of the SNES; it knew the tech inside and out and maximized it to create the best possible experience the system could deliver. Maybe it was just the innocence of youth, but VI (III at the time) rocked my world and redefined my expectations of video games from that point on, something that I can only say about a handful of games (such as Super Mario 3, Metal Gear Solid, and Symphony of the Night).
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Sorry, meant post-SNES era since you've played those. VI and tactics are my favorites in the series and rank highly in my all-time favorites.
 
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All that really stands out to me from 9 about 'doing something important' early game was grinding up your chocobo for chocographs asap. Unlocks a lot of travel options and phat lewtz. It's been a lot of years though.

I missed the Doomtrain summon in my first FF8 playthrough and it made me rage out.
 
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Tanoomba_sl said:
I'm not planning on playing with a guide, but is there anything I should keep in mind while I play 9? Like, is there a special item I only get one opportunity to acquire by acting in a specific way? I like to play games "blind", but I hate finding out after the fact that I could have easily gotten X if I had done Y differently.
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Chocobo leveling where you can, but the other thing that comes to mind is look up how to get the passive haste item from the castle library (I want to say around level like 20-25 maybe?). If I remember right, and it has been a long time since I played 9, there were only two items in the game where you could get a passive haste buffing item to master and one is a one-time event and requires you beating this funky book monster. The second is end game at a clock that stops or something like that.

Edit - This guyFinal Fantasy IX Killing Tantarian On Disc 2 Strategy - YouTube
 
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13 is not a bad game, it's just not a whole lot like other final fantasies. If you play them sequentially, from 1 to 13-3, you can see the evolution of combat leading up to what 13 and 13-2 had. The main problem with 13 is that there is no overwold (note: X didn't have one either, and 12 sort of has MMORPG zones instead of an overwold map) and you are effectively in a tutorial with hard caps on how much you can level in each chapter until almost the end of the game. FF stories are pretty hit or miss, and 13 is definitely a miss. The entire 13 trilogy has a completely retarded storyline. Granted, 8's story is pretty retarded as well, but 13 didn't even have cool bosses. It's a game, and it is enjoyable, but it isn't the pinnacle of the FF franchise.

That said neither is 8, and even though it is also a game and enjoyable, it has a couple of HUGE negatives in the way the combat system and character advancement systems work in the game. People who like menu hunting may dislike 12 and 13's more conscious effort at automating things that every player does anyway, but at least their leveling progression and combat are fairly good. 8 is not, and it is arguably more basic than FF7, with even less distinction between characters aside from limit breaks.

8 and 13 are worth playing, and they are definitely better than most "average" RPGs out there. But they are definitely not in the top half for good games in the franchise.
 
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Stop lumping 8 in with 13. See my previous good things about 8 post.

8 is flawed for some people. 13 is just bad. Unless you can come up with your own personal list of memorable/good stuff for 13.
 
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if you people have the time or desire to go back and play a bunch of weird japanese RPGs with ancient playstation 1 graphics then you really ought to reconsider what you are doing with your lives.
 
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Chris_sl said:
8 is flawed for some people. 13 is just bad. Unless you can come up with your own personal list of memorable/good stuff for 13.
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Good things about 13: Great combat system, good character development, lots of good side content once the game opens up. Combat system improved in 13-2.
Bad things about 13: First 20 hours of the game is a hallway tutorial, story is godawful. Story made even worse in 13-2.

I'm not planning on playing with a guide, but is there anything I should keep in mind while I play 9? Like, is there a special item I only get one opportunity to acquire by acting in a specific way? I like to play games "blind", but I hate finding out after the fact that I could have easily gotten X if I had done Y differently.
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You are going to miss a ton of shit playing through 9 on your first playthrough if you're not attached to a guide. The game is easy enough to beat though that I'd advise just playing through it blind.
 
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8 was so bad for me I completely skipped playing 9 for years. 13 still shit too though.

As for playing 9, you can get a lot of gear earlier than normal by stealing with the main character (Zidane) on boss fights. It can be frustrating as hell sometimes to wait for him to finally steal all of the good stuff, but it's true of virtually every boss fight that you can steal a nice item that is a level or two (or more) higher than what you can get otherwise at those points in the game.

6 and 7 are still the pinnacle for me, 6 was kind of tied up with Crono Trigger for me in that I played them both around the same time...then 7 just took it to the next level with the graphics on PS. I actually thought 8 was a step back graphically, didn't like it at all. Card game was literally only thing I can give a positive thought to from that entire game. Tactics and 10 rank up there for me as well.
 
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Merrith_sl said:
I actually thought 8 was a step back graphically
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I'm not a fan of anything FF8, but if there is one area it was an unquestionable improvement over FFVII it was the graphics, both in game and FMV
 
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Anyone who loves final Fantasy is doing themselves a disservice if you haven't seen Spoony rip apart 8, 10 and 13 with the fury of a wrathful god.

 
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Chris_sl said:
Stop lumping 8 in with 13. See my previous good things about 8 post.

8 is flawed for some people. 13 is just bad. Unless you can come up with your own personal list of memorable/good stuff for 13.
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You want me to refute your objectively wrong opinions by posting my personal opinions about 13? Sure. 13 has the best graphics out of any RPG released up to and at the same time it came out. It also has the most engaging combat of any FF game up until that point. The method of character progression in 13 is heads and tails better than any FF outside of 3/5/10/12, but that's not saying much because either there's no maleable progression in other games or they are retarded like 8's. Lightning, even if overused and part of the retarded story, is a vastly cooler designed/interesting character than any character in 8. Or in 1,2,3,5, for that matter.

Memorable moments? Lightning on the train. All of Pulse. When Shiva enters the picture. The storyline of Oerba, and the fact that the giant desert surrounding it is made up of the shattered bodies of failed l'cie. The Titan on Pulse. Fang and Vanille turning into Ragnarok (even though the reasoning behind it was retarded). Sera turning into a crystal just as Snow gets to her.

Those were all cool things about 13, in my opinion. The two cool things about 8 were Triple Triad, and Odin getting raped trying to cut Seifer in half. Everything else about 8 was bad, in my opinion.

However, in the world of "not an opinion," 8 and 13 are by far the most derided games in the FF franchise. Like, no other game even comes within several magnitudes of how much those two games are shat upon by the masses. I think 13 is a better game than many of the previous FFs, but that is an opinion. You think 8 is better than 13 and other games, and that is also an opinion. Admit that your opinion is not the majority, because I know mine isn't either. Hence, those two games deserve to be lumped together when offering them as a suggestion to other people to play.
 
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I would still recommend playing 8 over 13.

As much hate as the draw system got, the game was still far more entertaining to me than 13 which I have failed to make it further than two hours into on several occasions. "Objectively" better combat doesn't mean much when the rest of the game isn't engaging in anyway until you get further in.
 
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Why is anyone bothering to throw their time away with 8 and 13?

And the visuals on 8 and 9 are "worse" than 7 because they did textures - and on the ps1 the textures did not scale/map/smooth or whatever the technology is to not get "giant pixle syndrome" as I called it - this was a big reason the n64 looked so much better than the ps1 - on ff7 for characters they used multi polys with color shade gradient's to avoid the giant pilxle thing and imo it looked better than the really crappy texture stuff we get in 8 - 9 was somewhat better because of the art design moving to exaggerated and cartoony vs 8's "real"
 
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Rezz_sl said:
You want me to refute your objectively wrong opinions by posting my personal opinions about 13? Sure. 13 has the best graphics out of any RPG released up to and at the same time it came out. It also has the most engaging combat of any FF game up until that point. The method of character progression in 13 is heads and tails better than any FF outside of 3/5/10/12, but that's not saying much because either there's no maleable progression in other games or they are retarded like 8's. Lightning, even if overused and part of the retarded story, is a vastly cooler designed/interesting character than any character in 8. Or in 1,2,3,5, for that matter.

Memorable moments? Lightning on the train. All of Pulse. When Shiva enters the picture. The storyline of Oerba, and the fact that the giant desert surrounding it is made up of the shattered bodies of failed l'cie. The Titan on Pulse. Fang and Vanille turning into Ragnarok (even though the reasoning behind it was retarded). Sera turning into a crystal just as Snow gets to her.

Those were all cool things about 13, in my opinion. The two cool things about 8 were Triple Triad, and Odin getting raped trying to cut Seifer in half. Everything else about 8 was bad, in my opinion.

However, in the world of "not an opinion," 8 and 13 are by far the most derided games in the FF franchise. Like, no other game even comes within several magnitudes of how much those two games are shat upon by the masses. I think 13 is a better game than many of the previous FFs, but that is an opinion. You think 8 is better than 13 and other games, and that is also an opinion. Admit that your opinion is not the majority, because I know mine isn't either. Hence, those two games deserve to be lumped together when offering them as a suggestion to other people to play.
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Graphics are objectively better, but beyond that I think you might not quite know what objective means.
 
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