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Sylas

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One person suggested buying a boost and everyone here shit on said person and told me to just play the story it would eventually gitgud. I wish I had taken that person's advice and skipped ARR.

I haven't told anyone they were wrong for playing this game, that's all you guys talking to me. I only asked questions about various aspects of the game, had ppl making excuses and whiteknighting instead of being honest and I called them on it. Most everyone agreed that the story is trash pre HW but a few keep pretending it's not.
 
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Sylas said:
One person suggested buying a boost and everyone here shit on said person and told me to just play the story it would eventually gitgud. I wish I had taken that person's advice and skipped ARR.
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Like many said, ARR is bad, but you need it to enjoy shadowbringer. It pay of in the end. That's why they can't change and upgrade ARR easily. It is just that we can't explain before you get there, you have to see it by yourself. For warrior, it begin at 56. Bad design may be, we can't change it. Yoshi-P doesn't listen to me. Also you will soon understand that leveling to 50+ take no time at all after your first job, like 1 or 2 big sessions, or just launch potd to see how the job play at 60 after you level to 30 (1 or 2 hours?).
 
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I don't think you need ARR for Shadowbringers. You could literally skip straight to Shadowbringers and by the end it's pretty good. I played during ARR release then never again, boosted to Shadowbringers when it came out because I thought the game was the same as WoW (where only endgame/current content matters) and it was still good. This was before NG+ also, so I had no way to go back and redo the old xpac content. Sure, it has a lot of references outside of the expansion that will not land, but it's totally fine as a self contained story. You'll have a few 'who the fuck is that' moments, but I'd imagine almost everyone who played ARR on release said the same thing when the Thancred / Lahabrea reveal was done. Endwalker definitely relies heavily on Shadowbringers though.

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One thing I can say about it is it's definitely not what you would consider an RPG. You have no agency, you make no choices, no branching narratives, no input from the player, nothing I do really matters, not even an illusion of choice, which most computer based RPG are limited to given programming restraints. You just play the role the game has designed for you, and sometimes your role is gullible buffoon ie the Post ARR storyline.

Here's the thing that maybe you guys just can't understand, let me try and break it down for you:
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Honest question, is this your first FF game? It's not like traditional Final Fantasy games have lots of branching narratives and different endings where you set off to make your own mark on the world. You're the Warrior of Light and are going to do Warrior of Light things. ARR has a lot of the 'new adventurer earning their place in the world' bullshit and I'd say is prob the closest to traditional style 'Western MMO' of all of the expansions. It was inspired by and made to compete alongside WoW, so you have a lot of filler horseshit to slow leveling, pointless side quests, etc. Modern FF14 is basically a long ass single player RPG where you can play multiplayer content with your character at the end. Complaining about ARR is like complaining about Vanilla wow mechanics being clunky. No shit.

It's 2022. The game came out 12 years ago, got tore down and rebuilt and relaunched again 8 years ago. Anyone who knows what a chocobo or a moogle is or gives a shit about Final Fantasy has already played this game. They aren't starting this game now, they aren't in this thread asking you questions now. Anyone starting this game now, like myself for example, has played MMOs, they are interested in this game as an MMO, they want to know about the gameplay, content, the systems, the replayability, the core content loop
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So this isn't really true. 11 and 14 are mostly skipped by the "Final Fantasy" community since they are seeing as weird abominations and not 'real' Final Fantasy games. The producers are looking to change that and basically are extending the Trust system down to cover ALL story content from ARR to Endwalker. Essentially, you'll be able to run every single MSQ dungeon with a group of NPCs instead of other people. Hopefully, they also streamline out some of the boring 'mmo' parts of ARR (which they've already done once) and refactor it to be about as long to go through as the other expansions.
 
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So this isn't really true. 11 and 14 are mostly skipped by the "Final Fantasy" community since they are seeing as weird abominations and not 'real' Final Fantasy games.
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man the final fantasy fandom are the weirdest bunch of purists. they all 'love final fantasy' but they all choose one to four of them (it'll be the first they played , or the 'good' one when they were kids) and the rest are heresy!

there a few streamers (preach, pyro) who talked about playing the old FF's so they get more of the references and to enjoy the stories. and the chat goes balistic. choruses of "play 7 it's the best" "8 is garbage" "all but 12" " 5 6 7" "7 9 10" "10 and on!" and they won't hear otherwise. FF8 killed their mom. FF10 is jesus but 13 is bad. 7 is best, but if you remaster the graphics or orchestrate the music you're literal hitler. 9 is king but you best play it on console!! etc etc.
 
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Will be nice when he gets bored of this troll and fucks off to some other thread.
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Can we introduce him to Vanessa?

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man the final fantasy fandom are the weirdest bunch of purists. they all 'love final fantasy' but they all choose one to four of them (it'll be the first they played , or the 'good' one when they were kids) and the rest are heresy!

there a few streamers (preach, pyro) who talked about playing the old FF's so they get more of the references and to enjoy the stories. and the chat goes balistic. choruses of "play 7 it's the best" "8 is garbage" "all but 12" " 5 6 7" "7 9 10" "10 and on!" and they won't hear otherwise. FF8 killed their mom. FF10 is jesus but 13 is bad. 7 is best, but if you remaster the graphics or orchestrate the music you're literal hitler. 9 is king but you best play it on console!! etc etc.
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Every time someone asks me what Final Fantasy to play I just laugh:

 
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I unsubbed for the next patch and I'm playing Assassin's Creed Odyssey (never played one these games before), it has a MSQ lol.

So I guess FF14 is like playing the Assassin's Creed series in order of worse game to best game and I'm a boost buyer since I've no idea what the plot is.
 
xmod2

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man the final fantasy fandom are the weirdest bunch of purists. they all 'love final fantasy' but they all choose one to four of them (it'll be the first they played , or the 'good' one when they were kids) and the rest are heresy!

there a few streamers (preach, pyro) who talked about playing the old FF's so they get more of the references and to enjoy the stories. and the chat goes balistic. choruses of "play 7 it's the best" "8 is garbage" "all but 12" " 5 6 7" "7 9 10" "10 and on!" and they won't hear otherwise. FF8 killed their mom. FF10 is jesus but 13 is bad. 7 is best, but if you remaster the graphics or orchestrate the music you're literal hitler. 9 is king but you best play it on console!! etc etc.
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Everyone knows that FF3 (6) is the best. Obviously, anyone who likes FF7 is a disc cuck traitor that deserves to be strung up from a lamp pole for siding with Square over Nintendo.
 
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I remember when Nintendo Power posted those early WiP renders for the next FF game on their forthcoming system (I think it was going to be the N64 Disc system or whatever).

Then they peaced out to PS1 and made 7 there
 
Sylas

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xmod2 said:
I don't think you need ARR for Shadowbringers. You could literally skip straight to Shadowbringers and by the end it's pretty good. I played during ARR release then never again, boosted to Shadowbringers when it came out because I thought the game was the same as WoW (where only endgame/current content matters) and it was still good. This was before NG+ also, so I had no way to go back and redo the old xpac content. Sure, it has a lot of references outside of the expansion that will not land, but it's totally fine as a self contained story. You'll have a few 'who the fuck is that' moments, but I'd imagine almost everyone who played ARR on release said the same thing when the Thancred / Lahabrea reveal was done. Endwalker definitely relies heavily on Shadowbringers though.


Honest question, is this your first FF game? It's not like traditional Final Fantasy games have lots of branching narratives and different endings where you set off to make your own mark on the world. You're the Warrior of Light and are going to do Warrior of Light things. ARR has a lot of the 'new adventurer earning their place in the world' bullshit and I'd say is prob the closest to traditional style 'Western MMO' of all of the expansions. It was inspired by and made to compete alongside WoW, so you have a lot of filler horseshit to slow leveling, pointless side quests, etc. Modern FF14 is basically a long ass single player RPG where you can play multiplayer content with your character at the end. Complaining about ARR is like complaining about Vanilla wow mechanics being clunky. No shit.


So this isn't really true. 11 and 14 are mostly skipped by the "Final Fantasy" community since they are seeing as weird abominations and not 'real' Final Fantasy games. The producers are looking to change that and basically are extending the Trust system down to cover ALL story content from ARR to Endwalker. Essentially, you'll be able to run every single MSQ dungeon with a group of NPCs instead of other people. Hopefully, they also streamline out some of the boring 'mmo' parts of ARR (which they've already done once) and refactor it to be about as long to go through as the other expansions.
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I played mystic quest on super Nintendo like 30+ years ago?

Never been a fan of jrpgs but i judge this games story based on jrpgs limitations. All you are really doing is writing a book, you never have to factor player choice in to the narrative, that book better be interesting. also I give eastern mmos a pass when it comes to translation issues, but i see that the english localization guy at square is an american so i really shouldn't.
 
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Sylas said:
I played mystic quest on super Nintendo like 30+ years ago?

Never been a fan of jrpgs but i judge this games story based on jrpgs limitations. All you are really doing is writing a book, you never have to factor player choice in to the narrative, that book better be interesting. also I give eastern mmos a pass when it comes to translation issues, but i see that the english localization guy at square is an american so i really shouldn't.
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Are you really comparing ff14 to mystic quest?

south park omg GIF by Comedy Central
 
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