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Taloo_sl

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It's so incredibly stupid to bother typing this. I'm not defending shit but fucking think about things for your god damn selves. Try to follow "This is stupid." with an internal "I wonder what decisions and circumstances led to something this stupid." before spouting meaningless statements. Bonus story about my weekend if you read to the end.

"Why is there no content square spent so much time remaking the game!"Remaking the game.I'm sure there are exceptions but every square inch of the game world I have personally explored barring the cities(which were changed in numerous ways themselves) is new. Zones were scrapped entirely and redone. They rebuilt the world. They populated it. They wrote a new story line. They made new quests. They scrapped or redid the questing system, the leveling system, the combat system, the abilities of every class, the social systems, the crafting system, the entire leve concept, every single thing in this game beyond art assets which were added to and often reworked.

They built an entirely new mmo on top of a framework of art assets and basic concepts that were too enmeshed to be removed. It would have been easier to start fresh in my eyes. Who is building new zones? Not the people starting from scratch with the zone right outside the god damn city. Who is coming up with new mechanics for end game dungeons? Not the people building and balancing an entirely new combat system. Make your own examples.

This isn't the 90's. This isn't the early 00's. There will never be another game released with the mystery and content to explore of vanilla everquest. There will never be another game released with the content, quality, and attention to detail of vanilla WoW. Making these games is a job. You have to pay someone to do a job. You have to pay a lot more money to pay someone who is extremely good at doing a job. There is a finite number of both types of people as well as money to pay them. There is a finite period of time where you can pay those people before you run out of that money. Give me thirty years and 10 billion dollars and I will you a game with those qualities and enough content to last those of us who consume it at an... above average pace ten years without seeing and doing everything. We can call that game the ten billion dollar way to not make a profit and piss away thirty years.

There a lot of things wrong with FFXIV. There are even more things that could have been done better. Is it a good game? I don't think it is. It's an okay game. I enjoyed it for what it is and I'm probably going to log in once I post this since I have hundreds of better things to do but lack either the ability, need, or desire to do them. I've come to terms with the fact that the mmo genre is not the same as it was ten years ago and neither is my life or desires. If I had a choice between reliving my experience with EQ or my experience with WoW I would choose to put a gun in my mouth and spray my brains against the wall instead.

Play a game. Stop when it's not fun anymore. Then do something else. Don't piss and moan for a fucking week on a message board about how it's so god damn stupid and unbelievable that you have to run AK 70 times to attain a level of gear that helps but is not necessary to get to a zone you are going to run SEVENTY GOD DAMN TIMES AS WELL. Seriously. God forbid you spend 70 hours of your time doing one thing over and over. Like farming MC. Or BWL. Or AQ. Or farming Lucid Shards. Or learning NToV. Or figuring out exactly what the god damn shit is going on in this awful, awful zone in PoM. Or jacking off. Or anything else in the world. If you don't enjoy it don't do it.

Take your dumbass female coworker out drinking with your friend to put her in a situation where she is probably going to cheat on her piece of shit locked up boyfriend because it will be absolutely hilarious to you if she does and she would be better off without his worthless ass so no harm done. Because despite being stupid as hell and naive as a newborn she's sweet and decent enough to look at and could probably make a nice but deaf and kinda stupid guy somewhere happy. And they could have extra-retard, deaf babies. That's what I did instead of play FFXIV last weekend. Had a way better time. Although she waited till Tuesday to cheat on him and it wasn't with my ex-coworker/friend so it wasn't nearly as funny as it could have been. Partial victory but I'll take it.
 

Erumaron

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Take your dumbass female coworker out drinking with your friend to put her in a situation where she is probably going to cheat on her piece of shit locked up boyfriend because it will be absolutely hilarious to you if she does and she would be better off without his worthless ass so no harm done. Because despite being stupid as hell and naive as a newborn she's sweet and decent enough to look at and could probably make a nice but deaf and kinda stupid guy somewhere happy. And they could have extra-retard, deaf babies. That's what I did instead of play FFXIV last weekend. Had a way better time. Although she waited till Tuesday to cheat on him and it wasn't with my ex-coworker/friend so it wasn't nearly as funny as it could have been. Partial victory but I'll take it.
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Pyros

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70 MC clears would have taken 15 months. Just saying.
Yeah I agree, that was a low estimate, most people had to keep raiding MC well into AQ because LULZRNGTHUNDERFURY.

And god you don't have to do nearly 70 runs of AK. Like 20-25runs maybe? Granted it sucks a lot more now because they nerfed the speedruns and all but you still need to do 8runs a week to be capped on mytho or some shit anyway. Full Darklight isn't needed for anything currently but maybe Turn4/Turn5 but at that point you're also getting Allagan and can use your mytho on AF+1 so you don't need full darklight anymore. Oh and also while it was a bit slow, I'm starting to see vanya+1 being sold now on my server, and that shit's better than Darklight even if you don't go crazy materias. Granted it's also expensive as fuck so you'll need to farm gold.
 

Gravel

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Just to echo that, I finally did turn 1. I've got darklight chest and ring, and the rest is AK (minus 3 jewelry pieces which are lvl 49 shit). I survived no problem. Granted I'm also a dps and if I get hit I'm dead in 2 shot anyway...but still. I'd imagine my dps would definitely be better, but it's not entirely necessary.

It was definitely fun, too. We didn't even beat it, but it was still a blast.
 

axeman_sl

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And god you don't have to do nearly 70 runs of AK. Like 20-25runs maybe?
It's over 4500 tomestones for a full set of Darklight armor and 900 for relic. At 80/run, it adds up to 69 runs, although you can probably shave off one run due to the stones you get from the storyline quest and doing Ifrit a few times or whatever. At around 45 minutes per run, this adds up to over 3000 minutes. Factor in the wipes, leavers and occasional useless newbie you get if you don't do every single run with a premade and you've probably got 60 hoursabsolute conservative minimumof just grinding this one dungeon over and over, and motherfucking over. I think people have every right to be underwhelmed with that gearing process. It's basically a WoW heroics grind but there's only one heroic dungeon and mob HP in this game is so laughably disproportional to player DPS that each boss fight is a 10-minute buttonmashing exercise.
 

Voldeth

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Just to echo that, I finally did turn 1. I've got darklight chest and ring, and the rest is AK (minus 3 jewelry pieces which are lvl 49 shit). I survived no problem. Granted I'm also a dps and if I get hit I'm dead in 2 shot anyway...but still. I'd imagine my dps would definitely be better, but it's not entirely necessary.
There are only two real gear checks in this game: Coil 4 (which requires you to have ran AK a few times and have some drops from there) and Coil 5 (which requires you to have near full DL+ to survive).

I've enjoyed Coil quite a bit and hope that we continue to work on Coil 5. I'm also hopeful that Nightmare modes in 2.1 are super difficult but I don't see why anyone would worry about gear checks in this game so far.
 

Sean_sl

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Just to echo that, I finally did turn 1. I've got darklight chest and ring, and the rest is AK (minus 3 jewelry pieces which are lvl 49 shit). I survived no problem. Granted I'm also a dps and if I get hit I'm dead in 2 shot anyway...but still. I'd imagine my dps would definitely be better, but it's not entirely necessary.

It was definitely fun, too. We didn't even beat it, but it was still a blast.
Turn 5 requires that people other than the tanks take damage and full darklight in armor slots there means a *lot*. There's a meteor effect that you have to clump people up for, but for each person hit by it he gains a stacking buff that buffs the next ability he casts and if you have the stacks too high on that you can't deal with it, so you want to clump the least amount of people possible. It's not just about surviving, it's about *needing* the gear to beat the encounter and if you don't have it you just should go home. AK is not good enough for it by any means. It's a high dps check too, same with turn 4. That shit is tunedverytightly.

Can you scrub your way through the first two turns with only a little bit of gear? Sure, but you're not going to get any farther than that. This isn't farm content where you can show up in whatever and get carried to geardom because you're some lazy douchebag, this is progression content.
 

Voldeth

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Turn 5 requires that people other than the tanks take damage and full darklight in armor slots there means a *lot*. There's a meteor effect that you have to clump people up for, but for each person hit by it he gains a stacking buff that buffs the next ability he casts and if you have the stacks too high on that you can't deal with it, so you want to clump the least amount of people possible. It's not just about surviving, it's about *needing* the gear to beat the encounter and if you don't have it you just should go home. AK is not good enough for it by any means. It's a high dps check too, same with turn 4. That shit is tunedverytightly.

Can you scrub your way through the first two turns with only a little bit of gear? Sure, but you're not going to get any farther than that. This isn't farm content where you can show up in whatever and get carried to geardom because you're some lazy douchebag, this is progression content.
http://www.twitch.tv/voldeth/c/2940777

50 second video to highlight the 'gear check' that is coil 5.

Notice that we stack up on the first AE and everyone *BARELY* survives it?

The second AE that we stack up for Sutekh dies (he is missing a few darklight pieces).

If we have an additional person help stack to reduce the damage, we can't make the dps check to burst the person out of the prism (in this scenario, Taxt is prism'd).

This is the only encounter that could be considered a gear check and is tuned for players only in at least full darklight.
 

Sean_sl

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This is the only encounter that could be considered a gear check and is tuned for players only in at least full darklight.
That's not true. Turn 4 is a pretty heavy gear check and every little piece of DPS gear helps on that. We were just barely killing some of the waves as others spawned. The Tank/Healer gear check isn't the level of Turn 5, but the DPS one is definitely there.
 

Voldeth

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That's not true. Turn 4 is a pretty heavy gear check and every little piece of DPS gear helps on that. We were just barely killing some of the waves as others spawned. The Tank/Healer gear check isn't the level of Turn 5, but the DPS one is definitely there.
There's definitely a gear check for coil 4, it's just not requiring 'full darklight' like coil 5 is. I'd argue that coil 4 would require 15-25 AK runs (depending on your luck with accessories from the AK chest). That shit wouldn't fly for coil 5 though.
 

Stave

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Just out of curiosity, do turns 1-4 drop raid loot? If so, why can't people just gear up in there in addition to grabbing the odd darklight pieces?
 

Voldeth

Trakanon Raider
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Just out of curiosity, do turns 1-4 drop raid loot? If so, why can't people just gear up in there in addition to grabbing the odd darklight pieces?
Yes. You get pieces of Allegan gear (ilvl 90) from coil 1,2,4 (there's no chest for 3).
 

Sean_sl

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Just out of curiosity, do turns 1-4 drop raid loot? If so, why can't people just gear up in there in addition to grabbing the odd darklight pieces?
Why can't people do that? Well you can, but I for one do not want to spend 2 months killing the first 3/4 bosses of the zone hoping we get the right gear drops just so we can kill one last boss. That's rather silly.

And god, turn 3 being so utterly pointless is so baffling. It makes me think we're missing something to it even though we're really probably not and it is just a stupid waste of time.
 

Gravel

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Just out of curiosity, do turns 1-4 drop raid loot? If so, why can't people just gear up in there in addition to grabbing the odd darklight pieces?
From the way it appears, you're basically locked out once you finish a turn. So if you do turn 1, you can't do turn 1 again until the next week when it resets. If you get to turn 5, you're running turn 5 only for the rest of that week. So unless you got loot on 1-4, you're out of luck for a week.

It's part of the reason I don't like BC. We had our healer leave and needed someone to step in. Unfortunately the guy available was on turn 2. So he couldn't queue up with us.
 

Sean_sl

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Yeah, there's normal raid lock outs. If it was like the rest of the game and you could reset it we'd all be sitting in full Allagan right now and Turn 5 would have been beaten by someone 2 weeks ago and we'd be having an entirely different discussion.
 

Vilgan_sl

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So, if someone were to run AK 10 times and then chill and raid some, AK some, and not worry about beating turn 4/5 ASAP this wouldn't be as huge of a problem?

Maybe I'll be regretting saying this in a few weeks but right now this seems like a problem that impacts the vocal minority who want to play a LOT of hours. I guess we'll see where this goes in 4-6 weeks when more people are 50 and might be impacted.