And that will most likely be the case with 8man groups and raiding in general. I just don't think it is going to be a binary "oh no Paladin tank, can't kill this raid boss!" vs "oh a Warrior MT, can't kill this raid boss!" type situation. Nin/War vs. Pal/War vs. whatever the fuck the RM tanking nonsense was. Certain combos will have an advantage, and certain group compositions will make fights easier. But I really don't see them making the difference night and day. 100% different playstyles, while your PLD reacts to things as they happen, the warrior just sort of charges in and starts raping face with axes, using the self healing to overcome incoming dps and cooldowns to overcome spikes. At least, that's what I gleaned from literally just reading half a dozen blogs about the topic and looking at the abilities.I sincerely hope that there are situations that require both types of tanks. This mitigates the entire situation.
Think you're spot on with most of that. Only point I'm making is that historically Warrior/Marauder was verging on/often was a DPS class that could tank. If you've got stuff on farm or it's not hard then sure tank with a Warrior. But why would you use a tank that needs significantly more healing for tough content or content that you're learning ?And that will most likely be the case with 8man groups and raiding in general. I just don't think it is going to be a binary "oh no Paladin tank, can't kill this raid boss!" vs "oh a Warrior MT, can't kill this raid boss!" type situation. Nin/War vs. Pal/War vs. whatever the fuck the RM tanking nonsense was. Certain combos will have an advantage, and certain group compositions will make fights easier. But I really don't see them making the difference night and day. 100% different playstyles, while your PLD reacts to things as they happen, the warrior just sort of charges in and starts raping face with axes, using the self healing to overcome incoming dps and cooldowns to overcome spikes. At least, that's what I gleaned from literally just reading half a dozen blogs about the topic and looking at the abilities.
It all comes down to just what type of damage a boss puts out and the relative gear levels of the players.
Don't think this will ever happen mate. Warriors and Marauders can't even equip Shields.It all comes down to just what type of damage a boss puts out and the relative gear levels of the players. And the list of secondary abilities you can pull from various classes. Hell, Marauder might simply be 100% better as a tank than anything by being able to grab defensive cooldowns from all classes and still doing great AE damage. The P4 blogs I looked at didn't have any of that stuff finalized.
Yeah, it seems that there will likely be several paths to getting most bosses dead. Wouldn't really make sense to pigeonhole every tank into becoming a Paladin as it would render the job system somewhat less relevant.It all comes down to just what type of damage a boss puts out and the relative gear levels of the players. And the list of secondary abilities you can pull from various classes. Hell, Marauder might simply be 100% better as a tank than anything by being able to grab defensive cooldowns from all classes and still doing great AE damage. The P4 blogs I looked at didn't have any of that stuff finalized.
True, but they can generate shields for damage absorption as a skill, which is useful.Don't think this will ever happen mate. Warriors and Marauders can't even equip Shields.
I'd say it's fairly idiotic to wait to have such billing systems only in place a few days before launch. Not really any way to excuse that for a company as large as SE.Because their billing systems were not in place. They likely had a small server internal to the square enix officers handling the access/account authentication for the beta that they knew would be unable to handle the load of live. And they've most likely moved their account server off to a dedicated data center.
Isn't most gear GLD / MAR / PAL / WAR (or disc of war for jewelery and the like)? I don't think you'd need separate gear until you're already max level tier anyways? And if you're max level, what else is there to do besides farm gear anyways...Yeah, it seems that there will likely be several paths to getting most bosses dead. Wouldn't really make sense to pigeonhole every tank into becoming a Paladin as it would render the job system somewhat less relevant.
I'm going the Warrior route myself. They just look more versatile to me at this point. I may level a Paladin as well, but not sure I want to bother putting the effort in to two tanks. That's a lot of gear to worry about.
100% agreedI'd say it's fairly idiotic to wait to have such billing systems only in place a few days before launch. Not really any way to excuse that for a company as large as SE.
Well, considering I've had my account information hacked/stolen (including hashed passwords and credit card information) from...reddit is working overtime manufacturing excuses for SE. This recent bullshit makes me not even want to play the game anymore. Are these really the people I want to give my billing information to
Yeah, I think it's $20. You'll have to wait until release from what I've heard though.So. Is there an upgrade to the normal purchase to the CE? I probably want that cat mount.
Tanking. It seems to me that warriors will just be an off tank end game. Will be rolling Pally.
Reddit is working overtime being reddit. Doesn't take much for them to manufacture bullshit. I mean, did you see their group in /shout all over the place claiming that Gilg is "their" server, and trying to run people off? It was a bad joke.reddit is working overtime manufacturing excuses for SE.
Actually waiting till a few days before launch to allow na-eu to input preorder codes that have been going out for months is stupid. The delay isn't bad - the timing on their part and decision of how to handle it is.The 3102 error was pretty bad, code entry being delayed a day or two isn't.