Folger's Extravagant Swatch Thread

  • Guest, it's time once again for the massively important and exciting FoH Asshat Tournament!



    Go here and give us your nominations!
    Who's been the biggest Asshat in the last year? Give us your worst ones!

Asshat Foler

2024 FoH Asshat
<Gold Donor>
48,194
43,397
This is my goal with the land I plan on acquiring this year. Build out the "we're going to retire and die here" home, while also planting several fruit trees and other things with a goal of semi-permaculture. Things which could perpetuate effectively in the N. Texas environment. Thanks to a random try two years ago of just throwing peach pits from the store bought peaches I prefer into an unused above ground box garden resulted in some solid little peach saplings (I was kinda stunned). Those are not in large pot/containers for this year, with the hopes of having land to transplant them into permanent homes purchased within the next 6-8 months. Also trying the same experiment again with peach pits and plum pits, since both seem to be region workable for my part of the country. At my house I already have multiple "set and forget" blackberry/raspberry vines/shrubs going. Benefit of our current house is a 15x30 enclosed sunroom/greenhouse attached to the back side of our house.

Once I have land I'm curious as to how to get permaculture crops of potatoes going, and some other staples. Plus a pepper grove. This has affected my land shopping as I am looking specifically for land with at least a wet weather stream flowing through it. Preferably somewhere I could build a minimalist automated watering/irrigation system. (something along the lines of solar powered automation of watering)
Not sure permaculture and “crops” belong in same sentence. Admire the vision. What USDA zone are you? Do you know the chill hours on those peaches? I’d imagine Texas needs a low chill variety(?)
 
  • 1Seriously?
Reactions: 1 user

Asshat Foler

2024 FoH Asshat
<Gold Donor>
48,194
43,397
I'm firmly in zone 8a for Texas, with some of the land I've looked at also being in zone 8b.

As for the peaches, the ones I grew at random I do not know about. I know they were still growing into December, lost leaves when we had a spot of a few days where we never got above freezing (and dipped into the upper 20's) around xmas. and have been dormant since, but still have a good bit of green in the stem areas which were green before so not showing signs of having been ganked by cold. We will see as temps are starting to round the curve here. (assuming we dont have a freak late freeze, which isn't beyond possibility)

I also have been looking at frost peaches for resilience, but they have a requirement or somewhere around 700 chill hours and around these parts we average 750-950 hours a year so I think N. Texas should be OK for most of this. These which grew from pits didn't have a specific strain name on them, so I have no idea what their chill needs/tolerance will be. That's a mystery to figure out I guess. Hoping they come through as they are some of the sweetest freestone peaches I have ever had.

A week ago a co worker who has heard me wax on a little on calls about my desire to "move to the country and eat a lot of peaches" bought me a peach sapling out of the blue. For in (already in a large container, not bare root) I can see the very beginning of some possible buds already. But I will probably cull a lot of those to encourage more branch growth. All of which just puts me more upon the fact that I am on a time table to find and secure appropriate land. As I don't want to put these in the ground here at my current house knowing we plan on moving within a 1-2 year time frame.

As for the overall goal, maybe true "permaculture" isn't the right term. Once we move I do plan on having a greenhouse/hothouse, but the focus will be on self sufficient plants. As I will adopt as much of the mantra I can from my picking the plants in our current landscaping. "I want things which can survive on the two things I can provide in abundance... heat and neglect"
Hate to be the bearer of bad news… First off wouldn’t be concerned about your peaches and freezes.. You literally want them to lose leaves. It means they’re going dormant. They’ll strike buds and bloom towards hitting their chill hours.

You need to nail down what chill hours are for your specific area. 700 is A LOT of chill hours. Use this tool to get more granular agroclimate.org/tools/chill-hours-calculator/

Find your average annual chill hours and then let’s talk varieties that work. No need to waste time on unknowns
 

Asshat Foler

2024 FoH Asshat
<Gold Donor>
48,194
43,397
Araysar Araysar
5763AC38-65A0-4C2F-B737-544CCB91415C.jpeg
 
  • 1Worf
Reactions: 1 user

Haus

<Silver Donator>
13,056
50,944
Hate to be the bearer of bad news… First off wouldn’t be concerned about your peaches and freezes.. You literally want them to lose leaves. It means they’re going dormant. They’ll strike buds and bloom towards hitting their chill hours.

You need to nail down what chill hours are for your specific area. 700 is A LOT of chill hours. Use this tool to get more granular agroclimate.org/tools/chill-hours-calculator/

Find your average annual chill hours and then let’s talk varieties that work. No need to waste time on unknowns
I'm firmly looking for land in the 600-800 range, but honestly most of what I'm shopping at is in the 600. Don't think I'll go south of that though as that's getting into "Hurricane's hit this part of Texas pretty hard from time to time" area, and I prefer "Tornados hit this part of Texas pretty hard from time to time".

 
  • 1Like
Reactions: 1 user

Haus

<Silver Donator>
13,056
50,944
I'm firmly looking for land in the 600-800 range, but honestly most of what I'm shopping at is in the 600. Don't think I'll go south of that though as that's getting into "Hurricane's hit this part of Texas pretty hard from time to time" area, and I prefer "Tornados hit this part of Texas pretty hard from time to time".

Pic
1676170423922.png
 

Asshat Foler

2024 FoH Asshat
<Gold Donor>
48,194
43,397
  • 1Picard
Reactions: 1 user